CenterBHSFan;1839711 wrote:So let's look at things from purely the perspective of the last three months. No comparisons of ex-Presidents, no he said/she saids, no finger pointing and huntings. No republicans. Let's look solely at what democrats are up to.
The democrats had a historical massive deportation of votes. So off they go to their retreats to regroup and strategize. Did they come to the conclusions of
"Hey, let's rise above ourselves and show the people that we don't think anybody outside of California and New York are deplorable. Let's actually take a hard look at Obamacare and how we can show that we are willing to work with the republicans and improve it instead of them repealing and replacing it with something that just might be worse. Let's do something to actually improve racial tensions. Let's do something besides stoking the fires between the sexes. Hey, let's take a critical look at the how's and the why's and see what we can do differently from this point forward. Let's take a look at how we used to be for the working man and now we're not. Let's look at how we can improve job situations outside of outsourcing them. Let's be realistic about how we can improve our immigration policies without being reckless with the name-calling and false rhetoric. Hey, I know! Let's not govern from Tumblr and Reddit!"
Have they done ANY of this? Nope. These are 99.9% college educated people, for fucks sake. So much for academia, right?
They cannot seriously look at what happened and why it happened. They cannot accept that they have lost their message. They cannot admit the fact that what they've done for the past 8 years is a product of their own doings. Because let's be real here: the democrats in DC are every reason why we have the situations that we have. Every reason. Mitch Mconnell didn't do this. Paul Ryan didn't do this. Republican governors didn't do this. Who did this? The people who voted did this.
Have the democrats ever seriously considered WHY?
Nope.
Are they working to turn the tides of public opinion?
Nope.
Are they trying to do something good for everybody instead of particular groups?
Nope.
Are the democrats telling college students to get out of their safe spaces and face the world?
Nope
Are the democrats initializing any sort of constructive dialogue with opposing points of view down in DC?
Nope.
I mean, this list of questions that have arose for the democrats in the past three moths could go on and on, but we all get the picture, right?
Complaining about FOX isn't going to fix things. Reading Vox isn't going to fix things. And it's a sad state of affairs when MSNBC is less biased and more fair then friggen CNN is nowdays.
Unless, or until, voting democrats demand better from their representatives in DC, this what all we're going to get. Nice outlook, isn't it?
In the past few months, I've specifically asked Boat Shoes and Commander of Awesome what they believe that the democrat party has to offer people besides free stuff. They never bothered to answer. I don't know if it was because they felt the question beneath them, thought I was trolling, thought I was being "stupid" or maybe they didn't have a definitive answer. And, honestly, I'm not trying to pick on them or berate them, either. My point in even bringing that up is this: If two random people on a message board don't bother to think about it and put up constructive answers to that question, how in the world would anybody expect DC democrats to address it? I firmly believe that this is a problem that's going to have to trickle up, not rush down. Clearly, looking to republicans to help fix these issues is a dead end road, and that's been a reality for a long time. So it remains to the democrats to address them, right.
What does everybody else think?
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I guess in all that riff-raff I just typed out - it all comes down to this: If the average democratic voter cannot define what/how could make the party better, then that just tells the democrats in DC that they have no incentive, whatsoever, to do it either. Therein lies the cruxt and exposes the outcome.
I responded and said you made a good post but just in other threads. I agree with most of what you say.
IMHO the Democrats have to do a better job of showing how civic collective action has made people better off than theybwould otherwise be in its absence and use humanized examples over and over and over again instead of statistics.
Moreover, they should re-adopt the new deal cause of full employment to combat charges they are for welfare...e.g. We don't let corn be unemployed via massive subsidies and,nobody calls farmers welfare queens with the animosity they call the poor who are unemployed...this givernment intervention has dramatically improved the lives of farmers (who now all vote gop ironically despite FDR and the dems creating the modern system that makes their iivelihood secure...of course dems never talk about all the good they have done).
Moreover the identity liberalism should be rejected in favor of a universal appeal to labor. This will be easier if they revert back to supporting new deal style liberalism vs. an a la carte agenda with something on the menu for each sub-group.
At its core the progressive vision recognizes the triumphant vision of liberal democracy as enacted by our founders and wants to fulfill their vision of forever establishing an even more perfect union...i.e. Making America Greater than ever before.
That vision has been lost as we've become the party of bathroom choice. Thus, the normal insecure working man no longer seesthe new deal party that was there to provide a secure place in a more perfect union.
They see a party only caring about isuues that matter to those with ironclad security in the bourgeosie establishment.
Kevin Lewis ✔ @KLewis44