Disgusted with Trump administration - Part I

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Jun 2, 2017 4:52 AM
O-Trap;1856096 wrote:I saw this on an Australian talk show, where a woman thought there should be a legally-sanctioned ban on a documentary on the MRA, because it might "perpetuate hate."
Are you talking about the red pill doc?
Jun 2, 2017 4:52am
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Jun 2, 2017 6:25 AM
So now I guess Kathy Griffin is going to hold a presser today stating that she is now being bullied. LOL!

ohmylord you can't make this stuff up!
Jun 2, 2017 6:25am
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Jun 2, 2017 6:37 AM
ptown_trojans_1;1856140 wrote:...


Why should another country trust what Trump says in a trade deal? He clearly does not honor any agreements and changes his mind on a whim. ...

I don't know that they should but in this case he followed through with excatly what he said he would do.
ptown_trojans_1;1856140 wrote:...Don't buy the MIT hated it argument. Reread what they actually came out with and the actual study. They even stated tonight the U.S. should not have pulled out of the agreement. ...
I don't know who has made that argument. The MIT report claimed there was little to no effect projected from this deal. It doesn't matter if they would stay in it. It's a horrible value to do so.

ptown_trojans_1;1856140 wrote:...If it was so bad, why did every country on earth, except 2 sign up for it? Seriously, most other agreements do not get nearly as many countries on board. So I just guess Syria and Trump knew more than the rest of the world? Riiiight. ...
It has little to no effect on climate cgange and costs the U.S. a boatload of money.
ptown_trojans_1;1856140 wrote:...Again, to the larger point, why should other countries trust our leadership now? We don't believe in anything but ourselves. Screw the rest of the world. Why would I trust the U.S. now if I am another country?
If this deal is only about getting other people to trust us then we have already lost because we would need to stay in a meaningless deal for no reason. If they choose to trust us because the leader did exactly what he said he would do then I understand.

For the last time, the deal doesn't impact the climate. I would think that would be a greater concern than playing politics with the issue.
Jun 2, 2017 6:37am
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Jun 2, 2017 6:46 AM
ptown_trojans_1;1856119 wrote:
Why should any country enter into any trade or economic deal with the U.S.?
There should be no "trade deals", there should simply be trade. Trade deals are nothing more than people who add no value to the process getting their beaks wet. It's truly no different than a mafia extortion racket.
Jun 2, 2017 6:46am
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Jun 2, 2017 11:11 AM
FEMA and the NOAA still don't have a leader appointed as we approach Hurricane season. So when a disaster happens, and the response is botched, conservatives will point to it as government being horribly run and an example that we need to get rid of FEMA and the NOAA.

This is classic Republican strategy. Get in government, cripple the agencies, and then blame the agencies for their failure.
Jun 2, 2017 11:11am
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Jun 2, 2017 11:54 AM
CenterBHSFan;1856191 wrote:Are you talking about the red pill doc?
Not sure. I didn't catch the whole piece. Could be.
Jun 2, 2017 11:54am
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Jun 2, 2017 1:07 PM
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/02/federal-agencies-oversight-requests-democrats-white-house-239034
The White House is telling federal agencies to blow off Democratic lawmakers' oversight requests, as Republicans fear the information could be weaponized against President Donald Trump.

At meetings with top officials for various government departments this spring, Uttam Dhillon, a White House lawyer, told agencies not to cooperate with such requests from Democrats, according to Republican sources inside and outside the administration.


It appears to be a formalization of a practice that had already taken hold, as Democrats have complained that their oversight letters requesting information from agencies have gone unanswered since January, and the Trump administration has not yet explained the rationale.
Simply stunning. No oversight and no ethics but don't worry, trust me, believe me, Trump isn't doing anything shady.
Jun 2, 2017 1:07pm
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Jun 2, 2017 2:47 PM
Look, the Paris Agreement was a framework for the whole international community to at least try and limit carbon emissions at their own pace. It would not limit the U.S. really, as we could have changed our own limits, well within the rights of the agreement. It was not a treaty for that reason, it was just the first step in the long process of limiting greenhouse gases, which is said to contribute to climate change. Yes, that is what the science says.

But, more so, what it does is show the world the U.S. does not care about international norms or agreements. The U.S. is only about itself, not for the common good of the world. Think about that. That overturns well over 70 years of U.S. policy. We are now ceding the world stage. Sure, we are the world number 1 economy, (still modest job growth by the way..) but leadership wise, the world can no longer look to us as examples. We are only in it for ourselves.

Alliances and other agreements do not matter any more. That is the message the rest of the world sees. That is why the leaders in Europe stressed the U.S. to stay. Now, the rest of the world will look to others for leadership, China, Germany, Russia even.

This agreement along with the non-committal reference to the NATO Article V is a sign for the rest of the world. The U.S is only interested in itself, the rest of the world can just figure it out.
Jun 2, 2017 2:47pm
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Jun 2, 2017 3:28 PM
ptown_trojans_1;1856303 wrote: This agreement along with the non-committal reference to the NATO Article V is a sign for the rest of the world. The U.S is only interested in itself, the rest of the world can just figure it out.
That's what we voted for.
Jun 2, 2017 3:28pm
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Jun 2, 2017 3:36 PM
isadore;1855829 wrote:gosh a ruddies, you can shovel all that libtary, identity politics bull you want to lie to yourselves, but the obvious fact is, all you had to do on November 8, 2016 to keep Donald Trump out of the White House was vote for


But, then we would be missing her highly acclaimed Excuses Tour, now in full swing.
Jun 2, 2017 3:36pm
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Jun 2, 2017 3:39 PM
sleeper;1856019 wrote:QO is much worse than isadore.

Big if true
Jun 2, 2017 3:39pm
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Jun 2, 2017 3:40 PM
Con_Alma;1856118 wrote:The Paris Climate Accord was about as brilliant as the "non-treaty" Iran deal.

Bingo.


Thanks, Don.
Jun 2, 2017 3:40pm
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Jun 2, 2017 3:45 PM
ptown_trojans_1;1856303 wrote:Look, the Paris Agreement was a framework for the whole international community to at least try and limit carbon emissions at their own pace. It would not limit the U.S. really, as we could have changed our own limits, well within the rights of the agreement. It was not a treaty for that reason, it was just the first step in the long process of limiting greenhouse gases, which is said to contribute to climate change. Yes, that is what the science says.

But, more so, what it does is show the world the U.S. does not care about international norms or agreements. The U.S. is only about itself, not for the common good of the world. Think about that. That overturns well over 70 years of U.S. policy. We are now ceding the world stage. Sure, we are the world number 1 economy, (still modest job growth by the way..) but leadership wise, the world can no longer look to us as examples. We are only in it for ourselves.

Alliances and other agreements do not matter any more. That is the message the rest of the world sees. That is why the leaders in Europe stressed the U.S. to stay. Now, the rest of the world will look to others for leadership, China, Germany, Russia even.

This agreement along with the non-committal reference to the NATO Article V is a sign for the rest of the world. The U.S is only interested in itself, the rest of the world can just figure it out.
Who cares?

MAGA!!!!
Jun 2, 2017 3:45pm
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Jun 2, 2017 3:49 PM
superman;1856310 wrote:That's what we voted for.
Then you just agreed to overturn everything the country has stood for and established in the post World War II world.
If you are cool with that, then fine.
Jun 2, 2017 3:49pm
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Jun 2, 2017 4:04 PM
ptown_trojans_1;1856303 wrote:The U.S is only interested in itself, the rest of the world can just figure it out.
Except if the US doesn't like something the rest of the world is doing. Then, suddenly, the US thinks it's a good idea to get involved.

Seems like we don't want other countries having a say in how we run things, but we feel the need to have a say in how other nations run things.
Jun 2, 2017 4:04pm
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Jun 2, 2017 4:05 PM
QuakerOats;1856313 wrote:
sleeper;1856019 wrote:QO is much worse than isadore.
Big if true
Okay, that was pretty funny.
Jun 2, 2017 4:05pm
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Jun 2, 2017 4:07 PM
ptown_trojans_1;1856318 wrote:Then you just agreed to overturn everything the country has stood for and established in the post World War II world.
If you are cool with that, then fine.
I am. Not sure how many times I have to explain it to you. I know guys like you and con alma are all about sending our young men off to die for stupid political reasons but I'm not down with that.
Jun 2, 2017 4:07pm
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Jun 2, 2017 4:38 PM
superman;1856328 wrote:I am. Not sure how many times I have to explain it to you. I know guys like you and con alma are all about sending our young men off to die for stupid political reasons but I'm not down with that.

I'm not down with sending any young men off to die and it's not just because that may very well include my son. I would love for you to show me whereby I have ever implied such a thing.
Jun 2, 2017 4:38pm
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Jun 2, 2017 4:43 PM
Con_Alma;1856329 wrote:I'm not down with sending any young men off to die and it's not just because that may very well include my son. I would love for you to show me whereby I have ever implied such a thing.
We have discussed this ad nauseam.
Jun 2, 2017 4:43pm
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Jun 2, 2017 4:44 PM
superman;1856332 wrote:We have discussed this ad nauseam.
...without any indication that I desire war or military conflict.
Jun 2, 2017 4:44pm
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Jun 2, 2017 4:51 PM
ptown_trojans_1 wrote: Look, the Paris Agreement was a framework for the whole international community to at least try and limit carbon emissions at their own pace. It would not limit the U.S. really, as we could have changed our own limits, well within the rights of the agreement. It was not a treaty for that reason, it was just the first step in the long process of limiting greenhouse gases, which is said to contribute to climate change. Yes, that is what the science says.

But, more so, what it does is show the world the U.S. does not care about international norms or agreements. The U.S. is only about itself, not for the common good of the world. Think about that. That overturns well over 70 years of U.S. policy. We are now ceding the world stage. Sure, we are the world number 1 economy, (still modest job growth by the way..) but leadership wise, the world can no longer look to us as examples. We are only in it for ourselves.

Alliances and other agreements do not matter any more. That is the message the rest of the world sees. That is why the leaders in Europe stressed the U.S. to stay. Now, the rest of the world will look to others for leadership, China, Germany, Russia even.

This agreement along with the non-committal reference to the NATO Article V is a sign for the rest of the world. The U.S is only interested in itself, the rest of the world can just figure it out.
"...The U.S. has a long bipartisan history of rejecting international climate pacts and it hasn't diminished our role in the world.

The U.S. is so very important to the national security of every single one of its allies. The U.S. is probably evem fundamentally instrumental to the economy of every single one of its allies. As long as the U.S. remains in NATO, keeps its treaty obligations, and maintains its economic strength, it is and will be the leader of the free world, and the world’s dominant global power. ..."

Leaving the Paris Accord isn't going to change that.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...source=twitter
Jun 2, 2017 4:51pm
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Jun 2, 2017 4:55 PM
Ptown pretty much represents everything that sucks about Washington.

#deepstate
Jun 2, 2017 4:55pm
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Jun 2, 2017 4:56 PM
If your concern is in the lack of world leadership there are much greater, short term impacting things that we are seeing people die from that are a result of a lack of U.S. leadership.
Jun 2, 2017 4:56pm
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Jun 2, 2017 5:07 PM
On my local morning news this morning it was said that Trump stated that he was willing to renegotiate a deal that was more beneficial to the US. I would be open to that, but that has got to happen first, obviously. I don't know if Trump would be willing or even able to sit down at the table and comprise a bargain.

It really does seem to be the curve, though, where alliances and coalitions are starting to disintegrate. Just take a good look at the EU, and that had nothing to do with Trump. It also doesn't lessen the UK's "status". And the UK has also stated that they would be willing to still work with the EU on issues of their own choosing. Naturally, the EU doesn't like that one bit. But ultimately, it's the decision that the people of Britain made and not the non-elected representatives of the EU.
Jun 2, 2017 5:07pm
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Jun 2, 2017 5:10 PM
ptown_trojans_1;1856318 wrote:Then you just agreed to overturn everything the country has stood for and established in the post World War II world.
If you are cool with that, then fine.
Can you be anymore dramatic? Pulling some agreement that wasn't even ratified is not going to result in an eighth of the shit you just said.
Jun 2, 2017 5:10pm