ZWICK 4 PREZ;1812091 wrote:oh I dunno.. maybe a conflict of interest when having police investigate police? Or how bout we fix the system of people being murdered instead of the after effects.

How do you fix the system of people being murdered? Mistakes will always happen. I'd love to see your plan on reducing police mistakes to zero in an environment with asymmetric information and situations involving gray area and split second decision making. It will never be perfect. Keep telling us to have a conversation and crying systemic racism because that's really helping! Go ride in a police cruiser in DC or Chicago and let me know how you would enact a plan for police to act perfectly in every situation. You're delusional if you think that's realistic.

And no I don't find it a conflict of interest. In the MB shooting, they released the evidence collected by police and corroborated by the Obama led DOJ. If that's the product police produce with this conflict of interest, then I don't see how its a problem. Just because you don't like the result of the evidence, doesn't mean the evidence is nefarious or invalid.

Time to grow up. We live in reality not fantasy land.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1812091 wrote:Or how bout we fix the system of people being murdered instead of the after effects.

A good start would be addressing that whole fatherless household issue...

like_that;1812094 wrote:A good start would be addressing that whole fatherless household issue...

Terrible idea.

That reflects the problem right back into their laps. That isnt how these things are done.

like_that;1812094 wrote:A good start would be addressing that whole fatherless household issue...

Or the black on black murders, which is MASSIVELY the bigger issue affecting black lives. Deaths by police is a tiny fraction of black deaths per year and an even tinier percent of those black deaths are unjustified after the facts of the case are discovered.

Keep fighting the good fight though! This is really helping protect black lives and not dividing people even further!

If BLM were truly and sincerely interested in helping the black culture/community, they would do well to start by telling their supporters to stop blaming everybody else. They would then follow up by demanding personal accountability. After that they could make bonus points by redirecting their supporters' focus on how bad they got it to something like how good they could have it in they put a little more effort into living.
After that is accomplished, THEN... they could start blaming other people and groups. But they really need to clean up their own back yard before bitching about somebody elses.

Anyone truly see an end to this?

I believe it will continue on simply because I think more and more people will become defiant and confrontational.

thavoice;1812101 wrote:Anyone truly see an end to this?

I believe it will continue on simply because I think more and more people will become defiant and confrontational.

It will end when the police grow up and start taking these rioters seriously. You step foot on the highway, you all get hauled in. Implement curfews, rubber bullets, bean bags, tear gas, etc. Stop letting them have the upper hand.

Fun Fact, twitter suspended a guy for saying people should mow down "protesters" on the highway. Good work censoring people morons. That's one of the tamest things I have even seen said on there.

like_that;1812094 wrote:A good start would be addressing that whole fatherless household issue...

Will having a father make a cop not shoot them unarmed?

sleeper;1812085 wrote:LOL.

Police are always going to make mistakes especially given that they never deal with perfect information and are forced into gray areas and bad situations as part of their job on a daily basis. The fact that millions and millions of police interactions go off without a hitch and only a fraction of a percentage end up being killed and an even tinier percent of those killed are unjustified its pretty easy to declare that this is not an issue and burning your town down isn't going to solve it.

Grow up and read the facts. Learn to think for yourself while you're at it.

You're a complete idiot. You don't justify murder b/c it doesn't happen enough. And that's not even the entire purpose of BLM. I agree the focus gets shifted to murder, but the system is fucked up generally towards blacks when it comes to all abuse, not just murder.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1812104 wrote:You're a complete idiot. You don't justify murder b/c it doesn't happen enough. And that's not even the entire purpose of BLM. I agree the focus gets shifted to murder, but the system is fucked up generally towards blacks when it comes to all abuse, not just murder.

Your statements of injustice are not supported by facts or evidence.

I'm not justifying murder either. Not sure where you get that from; even 1 cop unjustly killing someone is not right, but the reality is the injustice plaguing black communities is not because a few black people are unjustly murdered by police each year; its rather insignificant to the plight of blacks.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1812103 wrote:Will having a father make a cop not shoot them unarmed?

I strong fatherly authority figure in their lives will likely help them not commit as many crimes, and to also them them to listen and respect authority when they are confronted in these situations and do what is told.

Doing all of the former would severely limit the instances of where deadly force could possibly be used.


The tulsa incident was completely bullshit by that cop, I 100% agree but if he still would have just done what was told he likely would be alive.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1812103 wrote:Will having a father make a cop not shoot them unarmed?

If you'd like, I can pull the stats when I get some time but not having a father is highly correlated with not graduating high school, committing crimes, and yes being murdered. Sound familiar to a certain community?

Liberals don't like facts though.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1812103 wrote:Will having a father make a cop not shoot them unarmed?

A father that focuses on education and discipline, yes. For starters it decreases the chances of interacting with cops and if it comes down to it compliance will result in no deaths.

sleeper;1812105 wrote:Your statements of injustice are not supported by facts or evidence.

I'm not justifying murder either. Not sure where you get that from; even 1 cop unjustly killing someone is not right, but the reality is the injustice plaguing black communities is not because a few black people are unjustly murdered by police each year; its rather insignificant to the plight of blacks.

Really.. a quick google search turns up that black people were almost three times more likely than white people to be subjected to force or threatened with it by police.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cpp08.pdf

like_that;1812108 wrote:A father that focuses on education and discipline, yes. For starters it decreases the chances of interacting with cops and if it comes down to it compliance will result in no deaths.

I'm not going to disagree its not going to help an entire demographic, I just don't agree that it will help interactions with police officers and certainly wont lower it.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1812109 wrote:Really.. a quick google search turns up that black people were almost three times more likely than white people to be subjected to force or threatened with it by police.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cpp08.pdf

Again, that's most likely because they commit the majority of crimes.

like_that;1812111 wrote:Again, that's most likely because they commit the majority of crimes.

one has nothing to do with the other.. that's judging interactions with police generally. White and black both.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1812112 wrote:one has nothing to do with the other.. that's judging interactions with police generally. White and black both.

Actually it has plenty to do with each other. If you're brought up well it's less likely for you to get in trouble with the law and more likely for you to restrain yourself if you have to engage with a cop. Seems to work for everyone else who focuses on a strong family structure.

like_that;1812113 wrote:Actually it has plenty to do with each other. If you're brought up well it's less likely for you to get in trouble with the law and more likely for you to restrain yourself if you have to engage with a cop. Seems to work for everyone else who focuses on a strong family structure.

You're comparing people who HAD interactions with police. White and black. And blacks had almost 3 times as much. I'd imagine most people who had interactions with cops, weren't brought up any better than the other.

Misread which post you quoted. I stand by my comment it definitely relates. More crimes committed = more interaction with cops. More interaction with cops = more chances for lack of compliance.

Thus more of these cases are related to blacks vs any other race. It's really simple logic.

like_that;1812115 wrote:Misread which post you quoted. I stand by my comment it definitely relates. More crimes committed = more interaction with cops. More interaction with cops = more chances for lack of compliance.

Thus more of these cases are related to blacks vs any other race. It's really simple logic.

And its based on no empirical data whatsoever just your feelz.. so there's that.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1812116 wrote:And its based on no empirical data whatsoever just your feelz.. so there's that.

Lolwut? A simple google search will provide you plenty of data that blacks commit the majority of crimes in this country. You can't have these type of shootings with the cops if you never engage them. Speaking of data, where is that data that proves there is an epidemic of of cops shooting black people that DO comply with the officers?

If there are any feelz, it's your feelz getting in the way of facts, because they don't fit your narrative that there is some systematic racism going out of their way to keep blacks people down and kill them. The same system where these "oppressed" people are voting for officials who "support" them.

Simple facts and logic lead you to either A. It's an inner culture issue or B. Democratic lawmakers haven't done shit for these "oppressed" people and will only continue to pretend they care in order to get elected.

like_that;1812117 wrote:Lolwut? A simple google search will provide you plenty of data that blacks commit the majority of crimes in this country. You can't have these type of shootings with the cops if you never engage them. Speaking of data, where is that data that proves there is an epidemic of of cops shooting black people that DO comply with the officers?

If there are any feelz, it's your feelz getting in the way of facts, because they don't fit your narrative that there is some systematic racism going out of their way to keep blacks people down and kill them. The same system where these "oppressed" people are voting for officials who "support" them.

Simple facts and logic lead you to either A. It's an inner culture issue or B. Democratic lawmakers haven't done shit for these "oppressed" people and will only continue to pretend they care in order to get elected.

cite one thing that shows any races is more likely to not comply than another.. that's your feelz pal.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1812118 wrote:site one thing that shows any races is more likely to not comply than another.. that's your feelz pal.

Cite*

I said more interactions with cops = more CHANCES of non compliance.

Reading is tough. Try harder.

like_that;1812119 wrote:Cite*

I said more interactions with cops = more CHANCES of non compliance.

Reading is tough. Try harder.

I fixed the autocorrect before you posted lol

Yes and it doesn't mean anything. If I tell you have more of a chance to die from a terrorist attack cuz ur in DC.. it doesn't mean you're going to die from a terrorist attack. You're not proving anything.