ZWICK 4 PREZ;1812120 wrote:I fixed the autocorrect before you posted lol

Yes and it doesn't mean anything. If I tell you have more of a chance to die from a terrorist attack cuz ur in DC.. it doesn't mean you're going to die from a terrorist attack. You're not proving anything,.

It doesn't prove I will die, but statistically speaking it won't be nearly as shocking as somebody dying from a terrorist attack in Urbana, Ohio. Just like statistically blacks commit more crimes and thus it's not shocking there are more situations where they are shot by cops vs asians, whites, etc.

There's some bullshit huff post article floating around that is such garbage I couldn't even copy the link and post it here.

like_that;1812121 wrote:It doesn't prove I will die, but statistically speaking it won't be nearly as shocking as somebody dying from a terrorist attack in Urbana, Ohio. Just like statistically blacks commit more crimes and thus it's not shocking there are more situations where they are shot by cops vs asians, whites, etc.

I know what you're saying, but that goes against the study I showed you! That's going off of rates of arrests. not total numbers. And blacks were 3 times as likely to experience force. I don't know what else to tell you.

It doesn't say undeserved force. They're also stopped more. They're also committing more crimes. How can you pretend that this isn't true (as a %of their race). It is illogical to not see that inner cities are where a ton of crimes are, which therefore means a ton of cops, which then leads to more people pulled over, force used, etc.


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iclfan2;1812124 wrote:It doesn't say undeserved force. They're also stopped more. They're also committing more crimes. How can you pretend that this isn't true (as a %of their race). It is illogical to not see that inner cities are where a ton of crimes are, which therefore means a ton of cops, which then leads to more people pulled over, force used, etc.


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Where do we find stats on deserved and undeserved force and why do whites have less of both lol.

let me get this straight before you dig yourself even deeper in a hole..

you're willing to tell me whites who get in trouble with police.. are just better behaved than blacks who get in trouble with police... lol

like you're telling me white criminals just have more integrity than black criminals lol.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1812123 wrote:I know what you're saying, but that goes against the study I showed you! That's going off of rates of arrests. not total numbers. And blacks were 3 times as likely to experience force. I don't know what else to tell you.

You would have to show my data that shows how many times they compiled vs didn't comply.

I'd have to actually see the stat you got from your link. My point is if they are 3 times more lilkely to be pulled over, then they would obviously be 3 times more likely to have force used. A traffic stop isn't getting in trouble nor does it have anything to do with real crime. Again, I haven't looked at your link other than the first page.

My point in the quote you linked was who cares if they are 3 times more likely to have force used if it was deserved? If they are likelier to have incidents with cops, then the 3 times more likely stat doesn't do much for me.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1812126 wrote:let me get this straight before you dig yourself even deeper in a hole..

you're willing to tell me whites who get in trouble with police.. are just better behaved than blacks who get in trouble with police... lol

like you're telling me white criminals just have more integrity than black criminals lol.

This is just as silly as you thinking black cops are going out of their way to beat the shit out of blacks who comply with officers.

The fact of the matter is you rather choose to ignore the root cause of issue which would resolve a good portion of what you are crying about.

like_that;1812131 wrote:This is just as silly as you thinking black cops are going out of their way to beat the shit out of blacks who comply with officers.

The fact of the matter is you rather choose to ignore the root cause of issue which would resolve a good portion of what you are crying about.

im just pointing out to Sleeper that he was full of shit per usual.

Yea I'm done even discussing this because if your answer is just racism, no intellectual discussions can be had. Chicago must be a shit hole solely due to racism, as is the murder rate. The people living there, Newark, Baltimore, or New Orleans have nothing to do with it.


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ZWICK 4 PREZ;1812132 wrote:im just pointing out to Sleeper that he was full of shit per usual.

Full of shit because people rather get their panties in a bunch and play victim to a small sample of these type of engagements vs actually addressing the root cause of the issue? I disagree.

One thing for sure, until they want to address their family structure nothing will ever change. We might as well revisit this argument in 10 years and it will be the same.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1812126 wrote:let me get this straight before you dig yourself even deeper in a hole..

you're willing to tell me whites who get in trouble with police.. are just better behaved than blacks who get in trouble with police... lol

like you're telling me white criminals just have more integrity than black criminals lol.

Ha. Likely correct.


Just like whites are more likely to be serial killers than blacks...sometimes stats just show what really is happening.

like_that;1812134 wrote:Full of shit because people rather get their panties in a bunch and play victim to a small sample of these type of engagements vs actually addressing the root cause of the issue? I disagree.

One thing for sure, until they want to address their family structure nothing will ever change. We might as well revisit this argument in 10 years and it will be the same.

No full of shit because he thinks as long as he states something matter-of-factly that it's true ... like there's no data to support my claim when of course there is

Here is the shit I am talking about. I couldn't find it, but let me know if any of you all see anything about negligence of parents to raise children with primary focus of education/discipline.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/297243-black-dem-illustrates-list-of-things-that-will-get-you-killed

Even more ironic is she tells her kids to be careful around cops, but somehow she can't do the same for the entire black population. I'm sure she will get reelected and not do anything to help.

like_that;1812137 wrote:Here is the shit I am talking about. I couldn't find it, but let me know if any of you all see anything about negligence of parents to raise children with primary focus of education/discipline.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/297243-black-dem-illustrates-list-of-things-that-will-get-you-killed

Even more ironic is she tells her kids to be careful around cops, but somehow she can't do the same for the entire black population. I'm sure she will get reelected and not do anything to help.

Respecting authority whether it be parents, teachers, coaches or cops starts at a young age.


I remember when I was 15. Buddy was driving and we kept looking back at the police. We got pulled over because as the cop said "you all kept looking back at me like you were doing something wrong". We werent, but it was just one of the first times a buddy had a license and we could drive around. We thought it was BS, and when I told my parents about it thinking they too would think it was BS instead took the cops side and I learned an important lesson in respecting and listening to authority even when we think they are wrong.

I am venturing to say households with little parental supervision/father figures and those who dont respect the police instill that into their children as well and the cycle continues.

This will also resolve the issue. White people are the devil, even though he was shot by a black cop.

http://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2016/09/21/keithlamontscott-when-we-start-firing-back-dont-ask-why-all-white-people-are-fing-devils-video/

While it might or might not have bearing on the circumstances, it's very interesting that those reporting the story from Tulsa seem to be going out of their way not to report the alleged victim's lengthy criminal record.

The issue I have with BLM, as others have also pointed out, is they will hold up any example of a police shooting if the the deceased is black. When Beyonce puts up a list of blacks killed and half the last is straight bullshit. Anyone who uses Mike Brown as an example automatically loses credibility. One of the examples in Beyonce's list was a cop had a neighbor who got into an argument with the cop's wife. The neighbor shot his wife right in front of him and he then shot the neighbor. That's not police brutality. She also listed Trayvon Martin. If you believe he deserved to die or not isn't really relevant in a police brutality argument because he wasn't shot by police. Another example was robbing a restaurant when the police showed up and they shot him. And then the leaders of BLM and SJW continue to use these examples to show how "something has to change!" I can't take that shit seriously.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1812136 wrote:No full of shit because he thinks as long as he states something matter-of-factly that it's true ... like there's no data to support my claim when of course there is

It's how you interpret the data that's the issue with no evidence.

For example, when you post data that blacks get more lengthy sentences than whites for committing the same crime you immediately go to "Well that is racism, look how racist the justice system is!!". There's no evidence for that. For me, I ask why and look into it with a little depth and you discover the reason most blacks go to jail for longer than whites is that blacks typically have longer criminal records.

Liberals don't like facts and liberals don't actually care about black people because if they did they would stop lying to them that white people are the problem.

And then they start talking about white privelege and white frailty. It makes it impossible to have an intelligent conversation with them.

queencitybuckeye;1812155 wrote:While it might or might not have bearing on the circumstances, it's very interesting that those reporting the story from Tulsa seem to be going out of their way not to report the alleged victim's lengthy criminal record.

Really? I had heard the opposite that he barely had a criminal history and it was completely non violent?

http://mediamatters.org/video/2016/09/21/listen-reporter-correct-sean-hannitys-attempt-smear-police-shooting-victim-terrence-crutcher/213246

I only see 3 things on OSCN. 2 are civil suits from a bank (looks like a bad loan) and ones he's the plaintiff?

What infuriates me with BLM is that (IMO) they can only be bothered when they can turn it into them being victims. A black guy is shot and killed and before it can even be justified or not, there's days of protesting, looting, and violence. Michael Brown, Freddie Gray, Keith Scott, etc. will be written on poster boards and turned into hashtags as people demand justice. What about Zariah Muhammad? Or Devon Quinn? Anyone know who they are? Where are the protests for them? Those are just a couple of names of young kids shot this past summer in Chicago. Muhammad is a six year old girl who was shot in the head while outside playing with water balloons. Quinn, a three year old sitting in his dad's van.
It's just so ridiculous. We're suppose to believe that black lives don't matter, yet Chicago for instance is having one of the deadliest summers probably ever, with numerous examples of young children being caught in the crossfire of gang warfare. Yet, no one seems to care. No one wants to talk about that because it can't be twisted into "WHITE COP SHOOTS BLACK GUY SITTING IN HIS CAR PRAYING THE ROSARY"

friendfromlowry;1812164 wrote:What infuriates me with BLM is that (IMO) they can only be bothered when they can turn it into them being victims. A black guy is shot and killed and before it can even be justified or not, there's days of protesting, looting, and violence. Michael Brown, Freddie Gray, Keith Scott, etc. will be written on poster boards and turned into hashtags as people demand justice. What about Zariah Muhammad? Or Devon Quinn? Anyone know who they are? Where are the protests for them? Those are just a couple of names of young kids shot this past summer in Chicago. Muhammad is a six year old girl who was shot in the head while outside playing with water balloons. Quinn, a three year old sitting in his dad's van.
It's just so ridiculous. We're suppose to believe that black lives don't matter, yet Chicago for instance is having one of the deadliest summers probably ever, with numerous examples of young children being caught in the crossfire of gang warfare. Yet, no one seems to care. No one wants to talk about that because it can't be twisted into "WHITE COP SHOOTS BLACK GUY SITTING IN HIS CAR PRAYING THE ROSARY"

Liberals don't like facts. They don't want to deal with reality because its harder to actually solve problems than just be the victim all the time.