sleeper;1800886 wrote:Really?

Missed the playoffs the year after Lebron left. 57 wins to 37 wins.
This year: improved to 48 wins for the 3 seed. Lost in R2. Hassan and Dragic mostly.

That sounds about as dramatic of a change as the Cavs experience. 33 wins and missed playoffs before Lebron; 53 wins and 2 seed to NBA Finals in Lebron's first year. 57 wins, 1 seed, NBA Champion in 2nd year.

Tell me more though!

slingshot4ever;1800892 wrote:We dropped to 19 wins and first pick multiple times in the draft. Heat are no where near that, and as you even stated, 3rd seed this year in the playoffs. He is more valuable to Cleveland than he was to Miami.

like_that;1800760 wrote:FWIW both players at the age of 31 has 3 titles. Lebron had more MVPs though.

Commander of Awesome;1800828 wrote:FWIW, LBJ would fucking destroy Jordan.

sleeper;1800894 wrote:Exactly. Lebron found success with a dog shit team that would win 19 games without him.

You do realize you are strengthening my argument correct? The reality is, Lebron James is an instant ticket to the Finals; he could take 76ers and will them to the NBA Finals.

Can Jordan do that? No.

GoChiefs;1800896 wrote:Jordan also went to college though and didn't go to the NBA straight out of high school.

Spock;1800898 wrote:you never saw Jordan play did you?

Spock;1800898 wrote:you never saw Jordan play did you?

GoChiefs;1800896 wrote:Jordan also went to college though and didn't go to the NBA straight out of high school.

sleeper;1800976 wrote:Jordan played in a watered down league with barely any international players and less teams. The NBA was still the best league in the world, but didn't have all the best players. Also, the NBA had more white people back in the 1990's; congrats to Jordan for winning against slow white people.

Jordan would be on par with Kobe in today's game. Very good, top 10 all time; Lebron is better.

Reality.

sleeper;1800995 wrote:Except the white people in the league now are the best players in Europe; not the scraps of D1 basketball teams.

Ironman92;1800997 wrote:That's fine...but also funny LeBron didn't win until Bogut went down.

sleeper;1800998 wrote:False. They won Game 3.

Also, Bogut is Australian. The premier player in Australia actually. It was nice for Jordan to only have to play against scraps on D1/D-league players instead of the world's best.

sleeper;1800998 wrote:False. They won Game 3.

Also, Bogut is Australian. The premier player in Australia actually. It was nice for Jordan to only have to play against scraps on D1/D-league players instead of the world's best.

sleeper;1800976 wrote:Jordan played in a watered down league with barely any international players and less teams. The NBA was still the best league in the world, but didn't have all the best players. Also, the NBA had more white people back in the 1990's; congrats to Jordan for winning against slow white people.

Jordan would be on par with Kobe in today's game. Very good, top 10 all time; Lebron is better.

Reality.

wildcats20;1801000 wrote:I bet Kyrie Irving disagrees.

Spock;1801001 wrote:THere isnt one Euro player that would make an impact in the 80-90's that is playing today.

Ironman92;1800999 wrote:Yeah, you didn't make 10 posts about the importance of Bogut going down this series.

Your energy is impressive.

Automatik;1801013 wrote:But no killer instinct tho.

Commander of Awesome;1801012 wrote:Just because this seems relevant.... In their playoff careers, Lebron James has a higher VORP, OWS, DWS, WS, and BPM than Michael Jordan