like_that
Posts: 26,625
Mar 9, 2016 10:26am
Anyone who thinks the Browns would actually be players in FA this offseason is delusional. They are better off re signing their own guys (Schwartz, Mack, and Gipson).
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 9, 2016 10:40am
I didn't expect them to be players but might expect them to go after some younger guys, coming off their rookie contracts. Assuming they were value pickups and not the price Detroit is going to pay Marvin Jones.like_that;1785306 wrote:Anyone who thinks the Browns would actually be players in FA this offseason is delusional. They are better off re signing their own guys (Schwartz, Mack, and Gipson).
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Mar 9, 2016 10:43am
I thought jones made sense because of Jackson, and that we could use a WR with size. But not gonna QQ about "losing out" on him.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Mar 9, 2016 10:44am
Sounds like Mike Wallace to Baltimore.
Steve Smith Sr.
Breshad Perriman
Kamar Aiken
Mike Wallace
Crockett Gilmore
Maxx Williams
Ben Watson
Flacco might lead the league in pass attempts.
Steve Smith Sr.
Breshad Perriman
Kamar Aiken
Mike Wallace
Crockett Gilmore
Maxx Williams
Ben Watson
Flacco might lead the league in pass attempts.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Mar 9, 2016 10:44am
Down to Atlanta and Cleveland for Alex Mack.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 9, 2016 10:51am
If I had to choose between the two, I'd rather keep Schwartz over Mack. Would be nice if they could resign both but I doubt that happens.Azubuike24;1785315 wrote:Down to Atlanta and Cleveland for Alex Mack.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Mar 9, 2016 10:59am
Same. Plus Mack is 30.BR1986FB;1785316 wrote:If I had to choose between the two, I'd rather keep Schwartz over Mack. Would be nice if they could resign both but I doubt that happens.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 9, 2016 11:24am
Agreed. I think these guys with their new metrics angle are going to be looking at stuff like this (Mack's age, etc).Commander of Awesome;1785320 wrote:Same. Plus Mack is 30.
Wisniewski wouldn't be a horrible get but, this may sound funny, I'm not counting out Irving yet. Sure, he looked like ass last year but he wasn't the Justin Gilbert type and actually owned up to how much he (Irving) sucked. I've heard that Irving loves the game and will put in the necessary work to get better. Hopefully he hit the weights hard in the offseason. This obviously means nothing if he comes back and ends up being a sack of shit but I'll be interested to see if he makes any improvements from year one to year two.
BTW....sorry about the comments earlier on this thread. Was out of line and I realize we can both be asses at times.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Mar 9, 2016 11:41am
I fucking hate Sashi Brown already.
Continuing in a fine tradition of ensuring we lead the world in unused cap space while losing both our own free agents and making sure we sign no impact players from anyone else.
I am sure this is what Hue signed up for.
Continuing in a fine tradition of ensuring we lead the world in unused cap space while losing both our own free agents and making sure we sign no impact players from anyone else.
I am sure this is what Hue signed up for.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 9, 2016 11:45am
Just freaking STOP already. Most people, who have a clue, know this team is NOT going to be very good for a couple of years. They are blowing this up and very likely going YOUNG. Spending a shitload of money on FA's is not what these guys are going to be about. Besides, last time I checked, A doesn't start until 4pm. :rolleyes:IggyPride00;1785329 wrote:I fucking hate Sashi Brown already.
Continuing in a fine tradition of ensuring we lead the world in unused cap space while losing both our own free agents and making sure we sign no impact players from anyone else.
I am sure this is what Hue signed up for.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Mar 9, 2016 11:48am
The only thing with the Browns is...they will have a ton of cap space that is unused.
Why not sign a few guys to massively front-loaded contracts that have no impact on their cap availability in 2 years when they think they can truly "compete."
That would be my frustration, and was my frustration with the Bengals for a while. They would simply not spend the money and would give it out to players on the current roster just to hit the "minimum spending limit." They would then have a ton of freed up money that inevitably goes right into the owner's pocket.
Why not sign a few guys to massively front-loaded contracts that have no impact on their cap availability in 2 years when they think they can truly "compete."
That would be my frustration, and was my frustration with the Bengals for a while. They would simply not spend the money and would give it out to players on the current roster just to hit the "minimum spending limit." They would then have a ton of freed up money that inevitably goes right into the owner's pocket.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 9, 2016 11:57am
I get that and they should spend but I know I didn't have any expectations of this group making any big "splashes" in FA. And who knows, they may be talking to their own guys (Mack, Schwartz) behind the scenes to get deals done with them?Azubuike24;1785336 wrote:The only thing with the Browns is...they will have a ton of cap space that is unused.
Why not sign a few guys to massively front-loaded contracts that have no impact on their cap availability in 2 years when they think they can truly "compete."
That would be my frustration, and was my frustration with the Bengals for a while. They would simply not spend the money and would give it out to players on the current roster just to hit the "minimum spending limit." They would then have a ton of freed up money that inevitably goes right into the owner's pocket.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Mar 9, 2016 12:01pm
That's been Jimmy's M.O since he got here.They would then have a ton of freed up money that inevitably goes right into the owner's pocket.
Give lip service to "building through the draft" and then let your players walk in free agency because they get overpaid. Replace them with some 4th/5th round pick as part of some 5 year process that never happens, and then blow it up so you can repeat the spin cycle.
Gives you a perfect excuse as an owner as to why you never have to spend anything, and the cash just starts bursting out of your pockets.
Sadly many in this town haven't caught on to Jimmy's con yet.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Mar 9, 2016 12:04pm
It's not about "making a splash."I didn't have any expectations of this group making any big "splashes" in FA.
We have a shit ton of holes and only 1 1st and 2nd round pick with which to fill them.
At some point you need to use free agency to supplement positions with real NFL talent as opposed to sticking some 6th round pick out there when you have piles of money to spend.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 9, 2016 12:08pm
I think most know he's a shitty owner. He pretty much admitted it himself after the season when he let go of Farmer & Pettine.IggyPride00;1785338 wrote:That's been Jimmy's M.O since he got here.
Give lip service to "building through the draft" and then let your players walk in free agency because they get overpaid. Replace them with some 4th/5th round pick as part of some 5 year process that never happens, and then blow it up so you can repeat the spin cycle.
Gives you a perfect excuse as an owner as to why you never have to spend anything, and the cash just starts bursting out of your pockets.
Sadly many in this town haven't caught on to Jimmy's con yet.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 9, 2016 12:09pm
And you're losing your mind FOUR hours before any of these guys can even be signed. None of us have any idea what their plans are.IggyPride00;1785339 wrote:It's not about "making a splash."
We have a shit ton of holes and only 1 1st and 2nd round pick with which to fill them.
At some point you need to use free agency to supplement positions with real NFL talent as opposed to sticking some 6th round pick out there when you have piles of money to spend.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 9, 2016 12:47pm
No surprise, if true....
Michael Silver ‏@MikeSilver 24m24 minutes ago I am hearing that RT Mitchell Schwartz likely won't return to the Browns...
Michael Silver ‏@MikeSilver 24m24 minutes ago I am hearing that RT Mitchell Schwartz likely won't return to the Browns...
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Mar 9, 2016 12:53pm
He's not a good owner and I do think the Browns are way too dead set on the philosophy of building through the draft as opposed to building in FA.BR1986FB;1785340 wrote:I think most know he's a shitty owner. He pretty much admitted it himself after the season when he let go of Farmer & Pettine.
It is possible to turn a dumpster team around in one year but its certainly more risky from an ownership perspective.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Mar 9, 2016 2:05pm
Jason Cole ‏@JasonColeBR 7m7 minutes ago Multiple agents echoing criticism that #Browns are being extremely hesitant in negotiations
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Mar 9, 2016 2:20pm
Agents are mad their commission isn't getting higher? Shocker
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Mar 9, 2016 2:24pm
I mean, this doesn't make much sense. Agents are getting the highest commission if they get their client the best deal. Regardless of the team. They have no incentive to single out a specific team for holding back other than to get it out there.DeyDurkie5;1785386 wrote:Agents are mad their commission isn't getting higher? Shocker
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Mar 9, 2016 2:27pm
Of course they do. It's the Browns. They are easy targets. If they don't give them what they want, they are obviously going to bitch. Browns are not trying to pay their free agents what the market is willing too. So they complain. Boo hoo.Azubuike24;1785387 wrote:I mean, this doesn't make much sense. Agents are getting the highest commission if they get their client the best deal. Regardless of the team. They have no incentive to single out a specific team for holding back other than to get it out there.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Mar 9, 2016 5:15pm
Mack gone to the Falcons.
3-13 incoming.
3-13 incoming.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Mar 9, 2016 5:23pm
Schwartz going to KC it looks like.
iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Mar 9, 2016 5:30pm
Can't be mad at the Mack deal, we offered more. He wanted to leave. Also don't give a shit about Benjamin.
Interested in what Shwartz gets and who we replace him with
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Interested in what Shwartz gets and who we replace him with
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