Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Jan 20, 2016 11:06am
I actually don't see how a 3rd rounder would help the Bengals for McCarron. So I really wouldn't want to do the deal either.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Jan 20, 2016 11:14am
You'd be rid of a guy who's reasoning behind a loss was "It seemed like it was pouring down when we had the ball, and lightened up when they had it."?Azubuike24;1776908 wrote:I actually don't see how a 3rd rounder would help the Bengals for McCarron. So I really wouldn't want to do the deal either.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Jan 20, 2016 11:30am
Again, he's a young, backup QB who now has a little experience. If he was projected to be even a fringe starter, it's not outrageous.
Didn't the Texans give up a 2nd rounder for Matt Schaub? A younger backup they thought could start?
The Raiders traded a 5th rounder and conditional 6th rounder (?) for Matt Flynn, a career backup who was still young?
Didn't the Texans give up a 2nd rounder for Matt Schaub? A younger backup they thought could start?
The Raiders traded a 5th rounder and conditional 6th rounder (?) for Matt Flynn, a career backup who was still young?
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jan 20, 2016 12:31pm
Just days after this game & when Jackson was hired I saw all of these Browns fan (dumbasses) screaming for McCarron. I just shook my head.HighRoller74;1776789 wrote:Well, he almost won a playoff game, and as we all know, almost ws enough to get Charlie Weis a 10 year deal. So, when your team is starved for something, almost is enough for you to go all in. Similar to how a lot of Browns fans bought in on Manziel after a couple semi-decent games.
They weren't acquired via trade but obviously some fans have forgotten Matt Cassel/Matt Flynn's of the league (lightning in a bottle for a small sample size and then crashed & burned when they left their original teams).
I'd rather have an unknown rookie at #2 than roll the dice on McCarron.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Jan 20, 2016 12:53pm
McCarron SUCKS. Stop trying to reason anything else.Azubuike24;1776922 wrote:Again, he's a young, backup QB who now has a little experience. If he was projected to be even a fringe starter, it's not outrageous.
Didn't the Texans give up a 2nd rounder for Matt Schaub? A younger backup they thought could start?
The Raiders traded a 5th rounder and conditional 6th rounder (?) for Matt Flynn, a career backup who was still young?
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jan 20, 2016 1:40pm
“I think Jared Goff is a better QB prospect than James Winston.”- @GregCosell
Lets get Goff.
Lets get Goff.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jan 20, 2016 1:42pm
Seems like a bit of an exaggeration.
But wasn't Goff getting much praise over his ability to read a defense in a pro style offense? Same shit people were salivating over with Winston.
But wasn't Goff getting much praise over his ability to read a defense in a pro style offense? Same shit people were salivating over with Winston.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Jan 20, 2016 3:18pm
If we take a QB, I hope it's Goff. He took mainly shotgun snaps, but did make reads and had the ability to audible.
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Sonofanump
Jan 20, 2016 3:42pm
To me, Goff looks like the only QB worthy of a high 1st. Everyone else looks like a project, Lynch (horrible bowl game) and Wentz (D1AA-FCS) look like maybe late 1st, early 2nd. But I'm sure someone will reach.
If Goff is top 10 overall, then I believe it would be ok to reach for a QB at #2. If Goff is rated outside the top 10, don't reach that far, the Browns would end up with Bosa (his motor seems on and off, like he takes wholes series off, maybe due to constant double teams) or Tunsil. Then the Browns can either move Goathomas or put Tunsil at RT until Goathomas retires. The Browns if they take a project at QB, it should be someone 6'4".
If Goff is top 10 overall, then I believe it would be ok to reach for a QB at #2. If Goff is rated outside the top 10, don't reach that far, the Browns would end up with Bosa (his motor seems on and off, like he takes wholes series off, maybe due to constant double teams) or Tunsil. Then the Browns can either move Goathomas or put Tunsil at RT until Goathomas retires. The Browns if they take a project at QB, it should be someone 6'4".
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jan 20, 2016 5:07pm
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slingshot4ever
Posts: 4,085
Jan 20, 2016 9:15pm
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jan 21, 2016 7:40am
I'm not thrilled with bringing back Horton but, other than that, Jackson has assembled a pretty decent staff.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jan 21, 2016 8:30am
Me neither. One positive with Horton was he made Gipson play his best football imo. Did Horton run a 3-4 or a 4-3?BR1986FB;1777135 wrote:I'm not thrilled with bringing back Horton but, other than that, Jackson has assembled a pretty decent staff.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 21, 2016 8:45am
Horton was probably the best we could get with Schwartz and a few other dc's already off the table.
At least he's been a DC and Jackson can focus on the offense.
At least he's been a DC and Jackson can focus on the offense.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jan 21, 2016 8:52am
Pretty sure he's originally from that Pittsburgh tree so I'd venture to guess it was a 3-4. He followed Whisenhunt to AZ and then TENN.like_that;1777149 wrote:Me neither. One positive with Horton was he made Gipson play his best football imo. Did Horton run a 3-4 or a 4-3?
At least they can keep some of the pieces they have on defense since they likely drafted for the 3-4. Still need edge rushers.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jan 21, 2016 8:53am
Agree with this. I was really hoping they'd get Schwartz but I guess I'd rather have Horton than a position coach getting his first promotion to DC.SportsAndLady;1777162 wrote:Horton was probably the best we could get with Schwartz and a few other dc's already off the table.
At least he's been a DC and Jackson can focus on the offense.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jan 21, 2016 9:06am
Just read this morning that we added Pep Hamilton as well.
"Cleveland has hired Ray Horton as the team's defensive coordinator, Pep Hamilton as the team's assistant head coach on offense and Hal Hunter as the team's offensive line coach, per multiple reports. "
I like the exp on this staff.
"Cleveland has hired Ray Horton as the team's defensive coordinator, Pep Hamilton as the team's assistant head coach on offense and Hal Hunter as the team's offensive line coach, per multiple reports. "
I like the exp on this staff.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jan 21, 2016 9:12am
http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2016/1/20/10803884/hue-jackson-is-trying-to-put-together-a-legendary-coaching-staffCommander of Awesome;1777168 wrote:Just read this morning that we added Pep Hamilton as well.
"Cleveland has hired Ray Horton as the team's defensive coordinator, Pep Hamilton as the team's assistant head coach on offense and Hal Hunter as the team's offensive line coach, per multiple reports. "
I like the exp on this staff.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jan 21, 2016 10:46am
Name in Tenn that stood out to me, "Nick Eason, Assistant Defensive Line"
I met Nick Eason at a Waffle House near Akron the summer he left the Browns the signed with the Steelers. Nice guy, was surprised when I told him I didn't wnat his autograph bc I don't collect Steeler Autographs.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Jan 21, 2016 12:58pm
Cool storyCommander of Awesome;1777238 wrote:Name in Tenn that stood out to me, "Nick Eason, Assistant Defensive Line"
I met Nick Eason at a Waffle House near Akron the summer he left the Browns the signed with the Steelers. Nice guy, was surprised when I told him I didn't wnat his autograph bc I don't collect Steeler Autographs.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 21, 2016 1:51pm
Gordon applies for reinstatement....would like to see him get another chance. Not sure if he's shown the ability to stay clean but would still like him to get another chance.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 21, 2016 1:53pm
Stephen A making some good points about Hue Jackson and Gordon will be on his final chance.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 21, 2016 1:57pm
I don't know WTH is going on but watching First Take for the first time in maybe 2 years and not sure why by Stephen A and Skip Bayless are speaking without yelling and making damn good commentary on Gordon/Hue/Manziel and the Browns. A really good listen and watch?!?
I need to get up and go get something done lol.
I need to get up and go get something done lol.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jan 21, 2016 1:57pm
I'll be surprised if he isn't reinstated.Ironman92;1777316 wrote:Gordon applies for reinstatement....would like to see him get another chance. Not sure if he's shown the ability to stay clean but would still like him to get another chance.
I saw the title of a story pop up on Yahoo (didn't open). Said something to the effect of "The Browns have a big decision to make regarding Manziel, Gordon." Not really. Both are no brainers. The "talent" (Gordon) should get another shot while the Lollipop Kid can hit the bricks.
They've kept Gordon for this long. Might as well see it through.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Jan 21, 2016 2:07pm
Exactly. Gordon is arguably the best receiver in the NFL when he's not being a dumb fuck.BR1986FB;1777322 wrote:I'll be surprised if he isn't reinstated.
I saw the title of a story pop up on Yahoo (didn't open). Said something to the effect of "The Browns have a big decision to make regarding Manziel, Gordon." Not really. Both are no brainers. The "talent" (Gordon) should get another shot while the Lollipop Kid can hit the bricks.
They've kept Gordon for this long. Might as well see it through.
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