Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jan 13, 2016 6:08pm
How do you get your def off the field? Set up by stopping the run to put def in 3rd and long situations. Again, not saying spend a 1st on a dlineman ( I want a QB). Stopping the run is about scheme, and commitment to stopping the run. Something we have never seen in Cleveland. To be a good defense, you have to take something away.SportsAndLady;1775426 wrote:Agreed. Build your offense to be explosive, and your defense will stay off the field longer. Thus, their numbers will improve.
It's all about the O.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jan 13, 2016 6:14pm
This brought teh lulzlike_that;1775413 wrote:Deydurkie a day or two ago: "it doesn't matter who we hire, we are going to suck ass and then start this shit over again"
Deydurkie (the hue apologist) today: "zomg love the hire, I WILL be there on opening day!!!"
Brings the lulz
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jan 13, 2016 6:38pm
Too bad this hire didn't happen yesterday because he could've brought Vance Joseph along with him to be his DC. Would've double dipped from Cincy and hired what was considered one of the up & comers in the league.Commander of Awesome;1775444 wrote:How do you get your def off the field? Set up by stopping the run to put def in 3rd and long situations. Again, not saying spend a 1st on a dlineman ( I want a QB). Stopping the run is about scheme, and commitment to stopping the run. Something we have never seen in Cleveland. To be a good defense, you have to take something away.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 13, 2016 8:10pm
You also keep your offense on the field to keep the defense off the fieldCommander of Awesome;1775444 wrote:How do you get your def off the field? Set up by stopping the run to put def in 3rd and long situations. Again, not saying spend a 1st on a dlineman ( I want a QB). Stopping the run is about scheme, and commitment to stopping the run. Something we have never seen in Cleveland. To be a good defense, you have to take something away.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jan 13, 2016 9:02pm
SportsAndLady;1775449 wrote:You also keep your offense on the field to keep the defense off the field
For god's sake S&L, I could just as easily say you gotta have a good defense to get your offense on the field. You wanna keep spinning or just admit that stopping the run is a part of winning football?
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Sonofanump
Jan 13, 2016 9:13pm
You need to score more points than the other team.SportsAndLady;1775449 wrote:You also keep your offense on the field to keep the defense off the field
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jan 13, 2016 9:31pm
I think the last few years have proven defense and stopping the run is winning football. So far we have about 2 teams left that are carried by their offense. Odds are in favor of another defensive team winning the SB this year.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 13, 2016 10:25pm
It's just funny I say you gotta have a good offense to keep your defense relatively rested in order to have a good defense.Commander of Awesome;1775451 wrote:For god's sake S&L, I could just as easily say you gotta have a good defense to get your offense on the field. You wanna keep spinning or just admit that stopping the run is a part of winning football?
And you immediately chime in with your stop the run shit.
I don't disagree with stopping the run makes your defense good. You just don't have to pound it down our throats every chance you get.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Jan 13, 2016 11:10pm
I don't care if they drafted all starters and they all turned out awesome. Playoffs aren't happening next year. The schedule is brutal and they'll win 5 or 6 MAX.MontyBrunswick;1775405 wrote:this is a great hire. browns will be in the playoffs next year, guaranteed.
looks like management finally knows what it's doing
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Jan 13, 2016 11:11pm
Also, I probably fell for a troll. I can't keep who's a troll and who isn't straight anymore.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jan 13, 2016 11:32pm
If the Browns get 5 wins next year I'll be stoked.Midstate01;1775467 wrote:I don't care if they drafted all starters and they all turned out awesome. Playoffs aren't happening next year. The schedule is brutal and they'll win 5 or 6 MAX.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jan 13, 2016 11:33pm
Actually I don't care if the Browns go 0-16 next year as long as JFF is not on the team I'm happy.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jan 14, 2016 1:55am
I bring it up bc last off season a bunch of posters (you/sleeper included) said it wasn't important. Which was fucking idiotic then, and just as dumb now. Nice fail dipshit.SportsAndLady;1775462 wrote:It's just funny I say you gotta have a good offense to keep your defense relatively rested in order to have a good defense.
And you immediately chime in with your stop the run shit.
I don't disagree with stopping the run makes your defense good. You just don't have to pound it down our throats every chance you get.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jan 14, 2016 7:26am
If Jackson's press conference is any indication of how successful he'll be as a coach, I think we're in for some good times in the coming years. Wow, impressive!
(Before some smartass chimes in....I know speaking in front of the media doesn't equate success, etc, etc)
(Before some smartass chimes in....I know speaking in front of the media doesn't equate success, etc, etc)
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jan 14, 2016 7:27am
Thanks for that nugget of wisdom, Pat Shurmur!Sonofanump;1775452 wrote:You need to score more points than the other team.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 14, 2016 8:00am
No.Commander of Awesome;1775476 wrote:I bring it up bc last off season a bunch of posters (you/sleeper included) said it wasn't important. Which was fucking idiotic then, and just as dumb now. Nice fail dipshit.
We just don't have a hard-on like you do.
A good QB/offense is more important.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jan 14, 2016 8:07am
Good lord, it's six of one, half dozen of the other. You can win with either. A good QB/offense is just as important as a good defense. Teams have won titles with shitty offenses & shutdown defenses and vice versa.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jan 14, 2016 8:24am
A legit quarterback is a must, but it seems like some are delusional that getting one makes any team a contender. Going from this shitfest to being a decent team is a multi-year project. If whoever ends up making the personnel decisions thinks one of this years QBs is going to be someone you can win with for a decade, grab him. If not, there are too many other needs to take a flyer.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jan 14, 2016 8:40am
Bingo!queencitybuckeye;1775509 wrote:A legit quarterback is a must, but it seems like some are delusional that getting one makes any team a contender. Going from this shitfest to being a decent team is a multi-year project. If whoever ends up making the personnel decisions thinks one of this years QBs is going to be someone you can win with for a decade, grab him. If not, there are too many other needs to take a flyer.
Just grabbing a QB at #2 isn't going to cure the issues with this team. I'd tell Browns fans to buckle up because it's probably going to be a bumpier ride until things get better. They may ditch the veterans and go all young like an expansion team. That's likely not going to equate to many wins, early on, but it should give fans hope which I didn't have going into last season.
That's why I said they need to give this new regime at least 3 years. Now if Jackson takes them to 5-11 this year and they regress to 2-14 his second year, I'd say it's likely he's not the guy for the job but I doubt that happens.
As an FYI, for those in the Cleveland area....Hue Jackson will be on 92.3 in the 9am hour.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jan 14, 2016 8:57am
Potential interest among the 32 teams in Manziel (hint...there's almost none, except for one team and it's not the Cowboys)
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/195819/interest-in-cleveland-browns-qb-johnny-manziel-would-be-low-for-31-of-32-teams
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/195819/interest-in-cleveland-browns-qb-johnny-manziel-would-be-low-for-31-of-32-teams
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 14, 2016 8:57am
RUN DEFENSE BRO STOP THE RUN BRO!BR1986FB;1775496 wrote:Good lord, it's six of one, half dozen of the other. You can win with either. A good QB/offense is just as important as a good defense. Teams have won titles with shitty offenses & shutdown defenses and vice versa.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 14, 2016 8:59am
For fucks sake, no one is saying a QB at 2 is going to fix the fucking team.BR1986FB;1775513 wrote:Bingo!
Just grabbing a QB at #2 isn't going to cure the issues with this team. I'd tell Browns fans to buckle up because it's probably going to be a bumpier ride until things get better. They may ditch the veterans and go all young like an expansion team. That's likely not going to equate to many wins, early on, but it should give fans hope which I didn't have going into last season.
That's why I said they need to give this new regime at least 3 years. Now if Jackson takes them to 5-11 this year and they regress to 2-14 his second year, I'd say it's likely he's not the guy for the job but I doubt that happens.
As an FYI, for those in the Cleveland area....Hue Jackson will be on 92.3 in the 9am hour.
But it's the main piece to get going in the right direction.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jan 14, 2016 9:02am
I agree they need to get the right QB but saying offense is more important than defense is stupid. You can win either way.SportsAndLady;1775520 wrote:For fucks sake, no one is saying a QB at 2 is going to fix the fucking team.
But it's the main piece to get going in the right direction.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jan 14, 2016 9:03am
One thing I liked about Jackson's presser is that I don't think he's going to have too much difficulty fielding a more than competent coaching staff. "142 texts...." LOL
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jan 14, 2016 9:15am
Didn't watch. What is the quote in reference to?BR1986FB;1775524 wrote:One thing I liked about Jackson's presser is that I don't think he's going to have too much difficulty fielding a more than competent coaching staff. "142 texts...." LOL