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Dec 18, 2015 2:59 PM
Mulva;1770232 wrote:Prior to this regime they'd lost 11+ for 6 straight seasons, so I'm not sure how its hard to believe the players suck.
Agreed.

If you go down the Browns roster, looking at their starters, there aren't many who would be starters for other teams.

Using the Bengals, as an example, maybe Thomas, Bitonio & Mack (on offense) and Haden (on defense) crack their starting lineup. Probably the same for Pittsburgh but I'd also take Barnidge over Heath Miller, at this stage of Miller's career. Gipson would probably be a starter over there too as Pittsburgh's secondary is pretty weak.

There just aren't a lot of impact players on this squad.
Dec 18, 2015 2:59pm
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Dec 18, 2015 4:35 PM
Mulva;1770232 wrote:Prior to this regime they'd lost 11+ for 6 straight seasons, so I'm not sure how its hard to believe the players suck.
Because I don't find it possible to draft shitty players for that long, missing in the draft and FA, literally 90% of the time. I think it comes from the top.
Dec 18, 2015 4:35pm
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Dec 18, 2015 5:09 PM
BR1986FB;1770234 wrote:Agreed.

If you go down the Browns roster, looking at their starters, there aren't many who would be starters for other teams.

Using the Bengals, as an example, maybe Thomas, Bitonio & Mack (on offense) and Haden (on defense) crack their starting lineup. Probably the same for Pittsburgh but I'd also take Barnidge over Heath Miller, at this stage of Miller's career. Gipson would probably be a starter over there too as Pittsburgh's secondary is pretty weak.

There just aren't a lot of impact players on this squad.
Gordon would start too. I mean, no team has a full team of impact players. The reality is, the Browns talent is probably similar or slightly worse than most teams but its not a complete dire situation as you are making it out to be. Get a good QB in there and stop dreaming of Manziel improvement being a realistic option.
Dec 18, 2015 5:09pm
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Dec 18, 2015 5:10 PM
Laley23;1770272 wrote:Because I don't find it possible to draft shitty players for that long, missing in the draft and FA, literally 90% of the time. I think it comes from the top.
The coaches we get are always 2nd or 3rd tier candidates. Same with the GMs. The only way we get a top tier GM/coach to come to Cleveland is if we over pay or get lucky with a diamond in the rough. That's not really unique to Cleveland but we seem to not find any hidden talent out there very well.
Dec 18, 2015 5:10pm
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Dec 18, 2015 5:22 PM
sleeper;1770280 wrote:Gordon would start too. I mean, no team has a full team of impact players. The reality is, the Browns talent is probably similar or slightly worse than most teams but its not a complete dire situation as you are making it out to be. Get a good QB in there and stop dreaming of Manziel improvement being a realistic option.
I didn't count Gordon because, right now, he's not in the league. Assuming he keeps his shit straight, he starts on any team in the league.
Dec 18, 2015 5:22pm
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Dec 18, 2015 5:22 PM
Over, under or push on Manziel throwing two interceptions on Sunday?
Dec 18, 2015 5:22pm
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Dec 18, 2015 5:32 PM
BR1986FB;1770286 wrote:Over, under or push on Manziel throwing two interceptions on Sunday?
Over. He sucks.
Dec 18, 2015 5:32pm
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Dec 18, 2015 6:17 PM
BR1986FB;1770286 wrote:Over, under or push on Manziel throwing two interceptions on Sunday?
But how many fumbles? Be interesting to see if he "pisses down his leg" when playing a real defense.
Dec 18, 2015 6:17pm
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Dec 18, 2015 6:26 PM
Commander of Awesome;1770294 wrote:But how many fumbles? Be interesting to see if he "pisses down his leg" when playing a real defense.
Are they as good as they have been the last few years? Have only watched them twice and Sherman and the defensive backfield shut down AB very well but allowed 450 passing yards and over 200 yards to Wheaton....don't seem as intimidating and dominant.
Dec 18, 2015 6:26pm
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Dec 18, 2015 6:29 PM
Well, guess they are still high up in the rankings statistically

Dec 18, 2015 6:29pm
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Ironman92;1770297 wrote:Are they as good as they have been the last few years? Have only watched them twice and Sherman and the defensive backfield shut down AB very well but allowed 450 passing yards and over 200 yards to Wheaton....don't seem as intimidating and dominant.
Well they won't have to worry about "paycheck stealing bowe" nor Johnny Midget tossing 450 yds on them. No home run hitting RB to worry about, I'd expect the hawks to have a "field day" with our "offense".

On the other side of the ball, without a "thumper" at ILBer, nor "terrorizing pass rushers" I'd expect any RB the Seahawks throw at us to go off, and Wilson to look like Joe Montana back there.
Dec 18, 2015 6:29pm
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Dec 19, 2015 7:07 AM
Ironman92;1770297 wrote:Are they as good as they have been the last few years? Have only watched them twice and Sherman and the defensive backfield shut down AB very well but allowed 450 passing yards and over 200 yards to Wheaton....don't seem as intimidating and dominant.
Seattle's D hasn't done well against elite QB's.

What should be interesting is how Seattle plans to defend Manziel. A guy from ESPN Seattle was on 92.3 yesterday discussing this game and he said the Seahawks typical game plan is to force the QB OUT of the pocket, which probably plays into Manziel's strength, improvising.
Dec 19, 2015 7:07am
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Dec 19, 2015 11:24 AM
BR1986FB;1770334 wrote:Seattle's D hasn't done well against elite QB's.

What should be interesting is how Seattle plans to defend Manziel. A guy from ESPN Seattle was on 92.3 yesterday discussing this game and he said the Seahawks typical game plan is to force the QB OUT of the pocket, which probably plays into Manziel's strength, improvising.
Out out of the pocket throwing to who? Light in the ass Benjamin over the middle? Seattle has a big secondary and we have midget wrs. Maybe we see "paycheck stealing" bowe?
Dec 19, 2015 11:24am
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Dec 19, 2015 5:46 PM
BR1986FB;1770334 wrote:Seattle's D hasn't done well against elite QB's.

What should be interesting is how Seattle plans to defend Manziel. A guy from ESPN Seattle was on 92.3 yesterday discussing this game and he said the Seahawks typical game plan is to force the QB OUT of the pocket, which probably plays into Manziel's strength, improvising.
Manziel would make a few bigger plays but he'll have 4 turnovers in return.

Seattle, Carolina, Green Bay, Arizona....I don't like the NFC as much but should be some good good playoff games. I won't count out the Giants.
Dec 19, 2015 5:46pm
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Dec 20, 2015 3:00 PM
Kam is out for Seattle
Dec 20, 2015 3:00pm
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Dec 20, 2015 4:12 PM
Get the first down Benajmin stop playing scared you vagina
Dec 20, 2015 4:12pm
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Dec 20, 2015 4:12 PM
Pryor already dropping passes
Dec 20, 2015 4:12pm
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Dec 20, 2015 4:22 PM
Touchdown Johnny football!
Dec 20, 2015 4:22pm
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Dec 20, 2015 4:23 PM
hmmmmm............HMMMMM!
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Dec 20, 2015 4:23 PM
Wish I had stocked up on Kleenex stock, FW would make me a millionaire by the end of the night after that start.
Dec 20, 2015 4:23pm
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Dec 20, 2015 4:39 PM
Has Bademosi ever done anything good?
Dec 20, 2015 4:39pm
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Dec 20, 2015 4:39 PM
Hey Shelton did something productive!
Dec 20, 2015 4:39pm
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Dec 20, 2015 5:18 PM
Our defense is pathetic��
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Dec 20, 2015 5:19 PM
Defense is baddddddd
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