SportsAndLady;1784461 wrote:You're an insufferable fan. Period.

You get overly emotional and say some of the dumbest "sky is falling" shit when things are going bad, but then you say "I'll be the happiest fan if they win a championship" as if you're some kind of super fan.

And then you even sprinkle in a little "holier than thou" bullshit and always say "well sorry I'm a realistic fan and you idiots don't see what I see!"

SMH

Farthest thing from a "super fan" but somehow a few of you have stuck me with that label. As I said, I'm realistic.

BR1986FB;1784462 wrote:Farthest thing from a "super fan" but somehow a few of you have stuck me with that label. As I said, I'm realistic.

Super realistic, that's why basically everything you say and believe turn out to be wrong. Lol

SportsAndLady;1784464 wrote:Super realistic, that's why basically everything you say and believe turn out to be wrong. Lol

Really? How's that "3-13, the Browns are going to blow it up and Alex Mack's going to walk in free agency" prediction, that all of you guys gave me shit about, looking right now? Derp.

Please, tell me WHY the Cavs are going to win a championship in Lebron's second return other than "well, he's Lebron !!!!!!!!!!"

BR1986FB;1784451 wrote:No, not pulling "shit out of my ass." His FT % still isn't very good at .714.

It's one man's opinion. If you're not a blind "homer", you're not part of the "clique."

As I said, time will tell. Let's just see if they win a ring while he's here. If they do, I'll GLADLY eat crow, but if they don't, you guys are the homers that are going to look like dumbasses. And I'll be one of the happiest people here if they do win it.

Opinion? You said his stats were decreasing. I'm honestly curious...what stats?

BR1986FB;1784451 wrote:No, not pulling "shit out of my ass." His FT % still isn't very good at .714.

It's one man's opinion. If you're not a blind "homer", you're not part of the "clique."

As I said, time will tell. Let's just see if they win a ring while he's here. If they do, I'll GLADLY eat crow, but if they don't, you guys are the homers that are going to look like dumbasses. And I'll be one of the happiest people here if they do win it.

BR, you always do this shit GROW UP. Who on OC is a blind homer saying the Cavs are going to win the ship? I swear, you're like BSPN, you make shit up to argue with. Even sleeper has backed off that.

Commander of Awesome;1784478 wrote:BR, you always do this shit GROW UP. Who on OC is a blind homer saying the Cavs are going to win the ship? I swear, you're like BSPN, you make shit up to argue with. Even sleeper has backed off that.

This is the comment I made (an opinion) and you guys decided to escalate it...

"If the Cavs don't win a ring with Lebron this year, I would probably be indifferent if he did go back to Miami.

In my eyes, this is the year they win it or it doesn't happen. LBJ's talent "window" is starting to close and I think the Warriors are going to be a championship caliber team for the next few years. Love LBJ as a player, but athletes generally aren't like "fine wine."

I don't happen to think Lebron is going to get BETTER over the next few years, as athlete's don't tend to do that with age. He's a freak but Father Time NEVER loses. My opinion is that this year is the year they need to close the deal as I don't see them acquiring any major pieces to leapfrog GS or SA and I don't see GS regressing in the next few years (SA perhaps).

And I'm not "making shit up." Lebron isn't the same player he was when he was in his prime in Miami and he's not going to revert back to that (see Father Time). This is his 13th year in the league. Add in the playoffs and he's played an extra 2+ seasons. He's not going to hold up forever.

It's an OPINION. Any time I state my opinion, you guys lose your mind. It was a SIMPLE comment that you guys decided to escalate into something much bigger.

Was listening to radio in Cleveland last night, and brought a good point. When this team was constructed 2 summers ago, it was good enough to win a championship when healthy. But, no one saw the Warriors coming. The Cavs would have handled the Thunder and Spurs last year or this year. Just seems to be Cleveland's luck that they have a team to win it all in most years, but just so happens that this unreal team comes out of no where. I don't think it would matter what reasonable pieces you added around Lebron, hard to see any team taking 4 out of 7 from the Warriors.

Benny The Jet;1784483 wrote:Was listening to radio in Cleveland last night, and brought a good point. When this team was constructed 2 summers ago, it was good enough to win a championship when healthy. But, no one saw the Warriors coming. The Cavs would have handled the Thunder and Spurs last year or this year. Just seems to be Cleveland's luck that they have a team to win it all in most years, but just so happens that this unreal team comes out of no where. I don't think it would matter what reasonable pieces you added around Lebron, hard to see any team taking 4 out of 7 from the Warriors.

And this is kind of my point. I would've expected them to win it all last year but the Warriors came out of nowhere and won it. I figured the Warriors would be tough this year but they are playing at an unworldly level. Barring a significant injury or GS breaking up that team, I don't see them going away over the next couple of years....hence my comments about getting the ring this year. I don't think they WILL do it but it isn't going to get any easier as LBJ gets older and has more wear & tear on his body.

It seems like it's always been like this. Back when they had Daugherty, Nance, Price, etc I thought for sure they'd get one, as they swept the Bulls in the regular season. Jordan hits "The Shot" and it didn't seem like they were ever really a threat after that.

You guys are being too hard on BR.

He thinks the window is closing this year; some people think the window is open for a few more years

I'm in the latter group.

Time will tell.

Commander of Awesome;1784478 wrote:BR, you always do this shit GROW UP. Who on OC is a blind homer saying the Cavs are going to win the ship? I swear, you're like BSPN, you make shit up to argue with. Even sleeper has backed off that.

I still think the Cavs can win the championship but it's hard to deny the Warriors are a legitimate threat to that goal. It's hard to imagine the Cavs not being able to win 2 more games in the finals with two of their best players in the series being available. With that said, GSW looks to be on another level even greater than last season so time will tell.

sleeper;1784505 wrote:You guys are being too hard on BR.

He thinks the window is closing this year; some people think the window is open for a few more years

I'm in the latter group.

Time will tell.

I think the fact he would be "indifferent" to Lebron headed back to Miami (even though that's not even a rumor), makes him pretty open for criticism.

sleeper;1784505 wrote:You guys are being too hard on BR.

He thinks the window is closing this year; some people think the window is open for a few more years

I'm in the latter group.

Time will tell.

Again, just my opinion. I'm hoping these guys get their shit together, make it to the Finals, and surprise me this year but I have no reason to believe they will.

And to comments on your second post, as Benny had alluded, I kind of see the Warriors as the late 80's/early 90's Bulls in regards to the Cavs winning a ring. I think it's going to need to take a significant injury to Curry or one of their key members leaving/getting traded to give the Cavs a legit shot.

BR1986FB;1784465 wrote:Really? How's that "3-13, the Browns are going to blow it up and Alex Mack's going to walk in free agency" prediction, that all of you guys gave me shit about, looking right now? Derp.

Please, tell me WHY the Cavs are going to win a championship in Lebron's second return other than "well, he's Lebron !!!!!!!!!!"

WOW!!! Went out on a limb there, predicting be Browns would be bad! Nobody denied that the Browns potentially could be bad, everyone just gave you shit for being a Debbie downer 2 months away form the start of the regular season after the Browns were coming off a solid season. Several of us asked you what record would make you happy for the 2015-2016 season and of course you pulled a jordo and avoided the question numerous. That's the type of shit that makes you an insufferable fan. Not to mention you hardly paid attention to the cavs up until they got hot last year and all of a sudden you're saying stupid shit like "I would be indifferent if Lebron went back to Miami."

And you're wondering why people are giving you shit? LOL. You're a 50 year old man and you are worried about an Internet "clique" that doesn't exist. Come on.

like_that;1784508 wrote:I think the fact he would be "indifferent" to Lebron headed back to Miami (even though that's not even a rumor), makes him pretty open for criticism.

Well yeah that's not really defensible but I don't think Lebron can stomach leaving Cleveland again BEFORE he wins a championship. That would completely tarnish his legacy. If he wins a championship here and wants to go back to Miami to play out his remaining years, then I would be indifferent.

If you're a betting man, I bet Lebron retires here winning multiple championships. The window is still there, but we may need a different roster composition to do capitalize on the window.

like_that;1784512 wrote:WOW!!! Went out on a limb there, predicting be Browns would be bad! Nobody denied that the Browns potentially could be bad, everyone just gave you shit for being a Debbie downer 2 months away form the start of the regular season after the Browns were coming off a solid season. Several of us asked you what record would make you happy for the 2015-2016 season and of course you pulled a jordo and avoided the question numerous. That's the type of shit that makes you an insufferable fan. Not to mention you hardly paid attention to the cavs up until they got hot last year and all of a sudden you're saying stupid shit like "I would be indifferent if Lebron went back to Miami."

And you're wondering why people are giving you shit? LOL. You're a 50 year old man and you are worried about an Internet "clique" that doesn't exist. Come on.

"Went out on a limb?" My prediction for the Browns was DEAD ON THE MONEY and I got shit for it because "no way they only win 3 games" and "they're not THAT bad." So yeah, it WAS "going out on a limb." Didn't see you have the balls to predict something like that.

And I pay attention to the Cavs ALL of the time. Just because I don't get on here and post about it every day doesn't mean I'm not keeping track of/watching what they're doing.

sleeper;1784513 wrote:Well yeah that's not really defensible but I don't think Lebron can stomach leaving Cleveland again BEFORE he wins a championship. That would completely tarnish his legacy. If he wins a championship here and wants to go back to Miami to play out his remaining years, then I would be indifferent.

If you're a betting man, I bet Lebron retires here winning multiple championships. The window is still there, but we may need a different roster composition to do capitalize on the window.

The reason I said I'd be "indifferent" is because (in my eyes) if they don't win it with him, what's the sense? It's championship or bust with these guys. If he doesn't win it here, he's not going to win it again in Miami with a worse roster. The only team(s) I could possibly see him winning a ring with would be OKC or SA, assuming they both kept things intact. I want to see them win a ring and if they don't what's the sense? I'm not about "enjoying" watching him play. Yeah, it would be nice if he retired a champion here (I don't think he'd leave either) but it's about rings.

SMH, only BR is going to QQ and bring up LBJ leaving in the offseason during a season where the Cavs have 3 legit stars and best record in the east. You're the worst BR, THE. Worst.

Stop trying to bring up hottaeks you heard on First Take as legit discussion. Such a fucking drama queen.

BR1986FB;1784519 wrote:The reason I said I'd be "indifferent" is because (in my eyes) if they don't win it with him, what's the sense? It's championship or bust with these guys. If he doesn't win it here, he's not going to win it again in Miami with a worse roster. The only team(s) I could possibly see him winning a ring with would be OKC or SA, assuming they both kept things intact. I want to see them win a ring and if they don't what's the sense? I'm not about "enjoying" watching him play. Yeah, it would be nice if he retired a champion here (I don't think he'd leave either) but it's about rings.

It is championship or bust. However, you made a statement that you would be "indifferent" if he left for Miami. Lebron James gives Cleveland the best chance for a championship so being "indifferent" is false at best and trollish at worst.

I do think the roster needs to be updated and that we may have "screwed the pooch" on giving out big deals to players who are not worth it. This is now an issue because if we need to shake up the roster we now have to deal with the burden of overpaid players which are much harder to move.

sleeper;1784525 wrote:It is championship or bust. However, you made a statement that you would be "indifferent" if he left for Miami. Lebron James gives Cleveland the best chance for a championship so being "indifferent" is false at best and trollish at worst.

I do think the roster needs to be updated and that we may have "screwed the pooch" on giving out big deals to players who are not worth it. This is now an issue because if we need to shake up the roster we now have to deal with the burden of overpaid players which are much harder to move.

Please tell me what you would have differently. Thanks.

Commander of Awesome;1784523 wrote:SMH, only BR is going to QQ and bring up LBJ leaving in the offseason during a season where the Cavs have 3 legit stars and best record in the east. You're the worst BR, THE. Worst.

Stop trying to bring up hottaeks you heard on First Take as legit discussion. Such a fucking drama queen.

What is "First Take?"

BR1986FB;1784516 wrote:"Went out on a limb?" My prediction for the Browns was DEAD ON THE MONEY and I got shit for it because "no way they only win 3 games" and "they're not THAT bad." So yeah, it WAS "going out on a limb." Didn't see you have the balls to predict something like that.

And I pay attention to the Cavs ALL of the time. Just because I don't get on here and post about it every day doesn't mean I'm not keeping track of/watching what they're doing.

It's not hard to predict the Browns will do bad. Congrats you guessed 3 wins instead of 4. You deserve a medal!

Still you were too miserable to let us know what record would make you happy. You pretty much went into the season that would you be miserable regardless of the outcome.

Commander of Awesome;1784526 wrote:Please tell me what you would have differently. Thanks.

#1, I wouldn't have given TT the deal he asked for. I would have let him test the market as a restricted FA and see what kind of deals he would get in return. 99% sure his deal would be around $20-30M less and we could have got him for 5 years $60M instead of 5 years $82M.

#2, I would not have given Love a max deal. If Love chose to walk over 5 years $90M instead of 5 years $110M that is his choice. I don't think its ever worth it to pay max deals to non-max deal players. I also would never have done the Love trade in the first place because I never thought Love was anything more than a good player pumping stats on a bad team.

#3. JR and Shumpert deals are way too high for being specialists. I'd let them both test the market and then match. I'm not sure why the Cavs abandoned this strategy for specialists when their talents aren't unique to anythign else in the league. Overpaid.

#4. I would have bought AV out a long time ago. I'm glad he is finally off the team and onto rot with the Warriors.

#5. I'd trade Mozgov for a bag of peanuts if it gets the trash off the team. He's not good, doesn't fit the team, and there's zero chance we sign him in the off season.

With the above said, given that I don't think the Cavs have a good chance to beat the Warriors this year. I expect a massive roster shake up to pursue the correct roster lineup for Lebron. Love and KI are on the table as is everyone else.

Where would all that money be going? I agree with some of those points but you would have to go back and look at the past Free Agent class and so who they could have signed if Thompson, Smith and Shumpert all walked and the team still had Wiggins, Bennett on rookie deals. Also no Varejao either.

SportsAndLady;1784461 wrote:You're an insufferable fan. Period.

You get overly emotional and say some of the dumbest "sky is falling" shit when things are going bad, but then you say "I'll be the happiest fan if they win a championship" as if you're some kind of super fan.

you literally described yourself in some of the threads i've seen, LMAO.

sportswizuhrd;1784539 wrote:Where would all that money be going? I agree with some of those points but you would have to go back and look at the past Free Agent class and so who they could have signed if Thompson, Smith and Shumpert all walked and the team still had Wiggins, Bennett on rookie deals. Also no Varejao either.

I would have let Lebron's first year be less of a panic and more of an acquisition strategy year. I truly believe this team was not built correctly from day 1 and instead was rushed to get in big name players right away to be competitive. We had a ton of assets that we blew right away for Love who straight up hasn't fit in and we could have acquired for much better terms 1 year later as he was on his last year with the TWolves.

That isn't a popular opinion but I would have loved to see Lebron work with the current roster when he came back for 1 season and build from there. It was rushed and we are paying for it now.