Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Feb 11, 2016 11:50am
lol...that's exactly "how it works"
Get a favorable seed, then turn it up come playoff time.
Get a favorable seed, then turn it up come playoff time.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 11, 2016 12:06pm
Those teams that do that do not win championships. Teams do not get hot and win it all.Automatik;1781001 wrote:lol...that's exactly "how it works"
Get a favorable seed, then turn it up come playoff time.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Feb 11, 2016 12:40pm
The Mavericks, Heat, and Lakers disagree with you.sleeper;1781010 wrote:Those teams that do that do not win championships. Teams do not get hot and win it all.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Feb 11, 2016 12:52pm
Don't forget the Spurs, who couldn't care less what seed they have, they just want to be healthy when the playoffs roll around.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Feb 11, 2016 12:57pm
Yeah, depending on how fall down you want to look at a team being before "getting hot and winning it all", you could go back to 1995, when Houston was the #6 seed with Hakeem and won it all. Or just use a more modern time, like when a Shaq/Kobe Lakers team "only" was 58-24 or something like that, got the #3 and won it all.like_that;1781020 wrote:The Mavericks, Heat, and Lakers disagree with you.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Feb 11, 2016 1:03pm
I see both sides.
The Cavs could be lifeless the rest of the way and still have the talent and potential to win it all.
They could also dominate the rest of the way and not be any more guaranteed to win it all.
Face the facts, they need to specifically scheme and make moves to beat Golden State or San Antonio. Both teams they struggle with, both teams they have struggled with in year's past...if they can't breeze through the East with the roster they have then it's irrelevant if the title is the goal.
The Cavs could be lifeless the rest of the way and still have the talent and potential to win it all.
They could also dominate the rest of the way and not be any more guaranteed to win it all.
Face the facts, they need to specifically scheme and make moves to beat Golden State or San Antonio. Both teams they struggle with, both teams they have struggled with in year's past...if they can't breeze through the East with the roster they have then it's irrelevant if the title is the goal.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Feb 11, 2016 1:04pm
Furthermore, rarely in pro sports do you make moves specifically to match-up with a certain team or teams. Usually you just make your team better. The NBA is in a unique place though and everyone sees the bench mark on what it will take to win it all.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Feb 11, 2016 1:11pm
A player I think would be a good "on court" fit would be Marfieff Morris. Though, I'm not sure how he'd affect the chemistry.
Also, and knock down 3 shooter would be a Good piece for a run. JR is a great shooter, but too streaky.
Also, and knock down 3 shooter would be a Good piece for a run. JR is a great shooter, but too streaky.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Feb 11, 2016 3:29pm
Morris is the draymond green killer. He would be an instant upgrade and make the team better. But will the suns part with him is the question.HighRoller74;1781031 wrote:A player I think would be a good "on court" fit would be Marfieff Morris. Though, I'm not sure how he'd affect the chemistry.
Also, and knock down 3 shooter would be a Good piece for a run. JR is a great shooter, but too streaky.
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Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Feb 11, 2016 3:35pm
The question I have is...what do the Cavs have to trade someone? Their DP's suck. Any young players they have with value (Shumpert/Thompson) are way overpaid. They basically are going to have to make a move for someone that a team wants to dump and is willing to take expiring contracts/lesser contracts for.
A Mozgov + picks for Morris deal would work, but I'm not sure how the Suns really benefit by acquiring the 28th pick in the draft.
A Mozgov + picks for Morris deal would work, but I'm not sure how the Suns really benefit by acquiring the 28th pick in the draft.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 11, 2016 3:51pm
Salary dumping. If the Suns want to save money this year they made part with Morris for an expiring deal or a TPE.Azubuike24;1781061 wrote:The question I have is...what do the Cavs have to trade someone? Their DP's suck. Any young players they have with value (Shumpert/Thompson) are way overpaid. They basically are going to have to make a move for someone that a team wants to dump and is willing to take expiring contracts/lesser contracts for.
A Mozgov + picks for Morris deal would work, but I'm not sure how the Suns really benefit by acquiring the 28th pick in the draft.
The pick doesn't really matter as its mostly a throw in for getting the deal done. The Suns are so bad they may consider trading off a guy who doesn't want to be there for some financial savings.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Feb 11, 2016 4:00pm
Oh the Suns definitely have motive to make some moves. But do they have any incentive to make those moves with the Cavs? They definitely need to trade Morris. The guy is a malcontent who has whined ever since they got rid of his brother.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Feb 11, 2016 4:02pm
Exactly they are about done with his attitude. I have a feeling if he came to Cleveland his attitude would change dramatically. The chance at a championship plus lebron can make sure that attitude doesn't effect the locker room, just like JRAzubuike24;1781068 wrote:Oh the Suns definitely have motive to make some moves. But do they have any incentive to make those moves with the Cavs? They definitely need to trade Morris. The guy is a malcontent who has whined ever since they got rid of his brother.
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sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 11, 2016 4:50pm
The market for Morris isn't likely to be large so yes its very possible the Cavs are either the only buyer or one of a few.Azubuike24;1781068 wrote:Oh the Suns definitely have motive to make some moves. But do they have any incentive to make those moves with the Cavs? They definitely need to trade Morris. The guy is a malcontent who has whined ever since they got rid of his brother.
You are right though that our assets are limited compared to some other teams, but as far as draft picks any team worth a damn isn't going to be trading a top 20 pick for Markieff freaking Morris.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 11, 2016 4:55pm
I'm not sure Morris is the answer anyway.
I'd like a deal that involves moving Love for a real player but that's a pipe dream at this point.
I'd like a deal that involves moving Love for a real player but that's a pipe dream at this point.
Benny The Jet
Posts: 2,987
Feb 11, 2016 6:42pm
HARD PASS on Morris....
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/02/markieff-morris-archie-goodwin-fight-choke-shove-suns
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/02/markieff-morris-archie-goodwin-fight-choke-shove-suns
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Feb 11, 2016 8:54pm
The Love shit is so freaking annoying
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Feb 11, 2016 11:05pm
Very.Ironman92;1781087 wrote:The Love shit is so freaking annoying
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Feb 12, 2016 8:29am
Plus, I may have missed it posted earlier but doesn't he have a (potential) felony charge pending against him where a team could trade for him and then lose him to suspension, possible jail time?Benny The Jet;1781079 wrote:HARD PASS on Morris....
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/02/markieff-morris-archie-goodwin-fight-choke-shove-suns
Potential trade targets...
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2016/02/sacramento_kings_ben_mclemore_1.html
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
Feb 12, 2016 9:28am
The only thing I could see happening is Sacramento wanting something they can't have (JR) or the Cavs settle for McLemore with the TPE. There are better choices for using it. It's possible they could get a third team in.
For shits and giggles I ran this trade on the Trade Machine and it works...
Memphis - Mozgov
Cavs - McLemore, Casspi (Or swap out Quincy Acy, he works too)
Kings - Courtney Lee
We have another week until the Cavs play again and when they do the trade deadline will have passed. If anyone really wants to get rid of Love, jump on the trade machine and post some ideas of trades that work.
For shits and giggles I ran this trade on the Trade Machine and it works...
Memphis - Mozgov
Cavs - McLemore, Casspi (Or swap out Quincy Acy, he works too)
Kings - Courtney Lee
We have another week until the Cavs play again and when they do the trade deadline will have passed. If anyone really wants to get rid of Love, jump on the trade machine and post some ideas of trades that work.
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
Feb 12, 2016 9:42am
One I saw yesterday thrown out on the realgm boards...
Hawks - Kyrie, AV, Moz
Cavs - Horford, Korver, Teague, Mike Scott(PF)
While it would be nice to have Horford, Cavs wouldn't give up Kyrie for him.
Horford, Korver and Sefolosha for Love and Mozgov works too. That would be more likely of the two.
Hawks - Kyrie, AV, Moz
Cavs - Horford, Korver, Teague, Mike Scott(PF)
While it would be nice to have Horford, Cavs wouldn't give up Kyrie for him.
Horford, Korver and Sefolosha for Love and Mozgov works too. That would be more likely of the two.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Feb 12, 2016 10:10am
Teague to Cleveland makes zero sense.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Feb 12, 2016 10:11am
LOL, fuck no.sportswizuhrd;1781133 wrote:One I saw yesterday thrown out on the realgm boards...
Hawks - Kyrie, AV, Moz
Cavs - Horford, Korver, Teague, Mike Scott(PF)
While it would be nice to have Horford, Cavs wouldn't give up Kyrie for him.
Horford, Korver and Sefolosha for Love and Mozgov works too. That would be more likely of the two.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 12, 2016 10:48am
Yeah I'm not sure how that trade makes us any better.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Feb 12, 2016 12:16pm
This.like_that;1781145 wrote:LOL, fuck no.