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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Sep 26, 2015 11:00pm
Agreed. TT had the "perfect storm" where his buddy (LBJ) returned and a few key big men (Love/AV) got injured and he balled out. In any normal year we're not talking this kind of money for him. He will get overpaid.sleeper;1753217 wrote:TT isn't worth what the Cavs originally offered much less more than that. The reality is, TT is going to be overpaid if the Cavs are going to keep him simply because he's been endorsed by a year to year contract Lebron.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Sep 28, 2015 4:03pm
Anybody see the media stuff today?
Lebron went back for even more hair plugs this off-season. Why is the dude so insecure? He and Michael Reghi could team up for a hell of a sponsorship deal on ESPN 850.
Lebron went back for even more hair plugs this off-season. Why is the dude so insecure? He and Michael Reghi could team up for a hell of a sponsorship deal on ESPN 850.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Sep 28, 2015 4:19pm
Not sure what's worse, the media mentioning LeBron's hair plugs (if that even happened today) or you being butthurt over it?
Who gives a fuck?
Who gives a fuck?
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Sep 28, 2015 7:46pm
I don't see how that means he's insecure. Maybe he just wants to have hair. I think it's silly, but doubt very seriously that lbj is insecure.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Oct 1, 2015 8:20pm
Isn't the deadline for TT to sign today? He can go fuck himself if he holds out.
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Oct 1, 2015 9:20pm
That is correct regarding his tender, he has until midnight.like_that;1754472 wrote:Isn't the deadline for TT to sign today? He can go fuck himself if he holds out.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Oct 1, 2015 9:21pm
If he doesn't sign today, doesn't mean he's holding out. He actually looses almost all leverage by not signing (not that he had any to begin with).like_that;1754472 wrote:Isn't the deadline for TT to sign today? He can go fuck himself if he holds out.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 1, 2015 10:54pm
I think the Cavs are fine without TT. Obviously having him would be a nice piece but its not the end of the world if he doesn't come back.
Cavs still have a solid core of Lebron, Love, and Irving. They also have Mozgov, AV, Shump, and JR off the bench. That team can win a championship. TT would have had limited minutes anyway if Love was healthy.
Cavs still have a solid core of Lebron, Love, and Irving. They also have Mozgov, AV, Shump, and JR off the bench. That team can win a championship. TT would have had limited minutes anyway if Love was healthy.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 1, 2015 10:55pm
TT doesn't really have anywhere to go either. No one is going to offer him a max deal this year and next year I doubt he gets a max deal either. Cavs are offering a couple million more a year than any other team and they are offering the extra year.
In other words, TT playing with fire here.
In other words, TT playing with fire here.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Oct 2, 2015 8:14am
Agree with both of sleeper's last statements. Right now, TT is a "luxury."
With the talent they have, I think they can ride the storm and pace these big men (Varejao, Love, Moz), giving them enough rest, so they might be able to dodge injury.
TT stepped up when he had to and thinks he should get paid. Newsflash....if the guys I mentioned stay healthy, TT's role goes from "playoff defensive specialist" to "role player" and I don't see many teams offering max deals next year for role players.
He's taking a $73 million gamble (this year, I'm sure he gets more than $7m/yr next year) which I think he's probably going to lose. He should pay attention to what happened to JR Smith (obviously different type players) when he tested the market, thinking he was worth more than he was.
With all of this being said, I think TT will eventually cave and take the 5/$80 million.
With the talent they have, I think they can ride the storm and pace these big men (Varejao, Love, Moz), giving them enough rest, so they might be able to dodge injury.
TT stepped up when he had to and thinks he should get paid. Newsflash....if the guys I mentioned stay healthy, TT's role goes from "playoff defensive specialist" to "role player" and I don't see many teams offering max deals next year for role players.
He's taking a $73 million gamble (this year, I'm sure he gets more than $7m/yr next year) which I think he's probably going to lose. He should pay attention to what happened to JR Smith (obviously different type players) when he tested the market, thinking he was worth more than he was.
With all of this being said, I think TT will eventually cave and take the 5/$80 million.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Oct 2, 2015 12:10pm
Even if TT signs a max deal with another team, it will be LESS than the $$$ he was wanting to get here bc of bird rights. lol QQ TT QQ lolsleeper;1754505 wrote:TT doesn't really have anywhere to go either. No one is going to offer him a max deal this year and next year I doubt he gets a max deal either. Cavs are offering a couple million more a year than any other team and they are offering the extra year.
In other words, TT playing with fire here.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Oct 2, 2015 12:58pm
I think Henson's deal is a pretty good indication of Thompson's true value. He has no leverage left.
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Sonofanump
Oct 2, 2015 1:19pm
Thompson can't see that his value will go down the second Verajao steps on the court?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 2, 2015 1:35pm
TT is a better player than Henson, but I agree with you in spirit. TT isn't worth the $80M/5 year offer the Cavs gave him; the Cavs are being extremely generous in my opinion. He's probably worth around $13M a year which puts him at $65M/5 years.Mulva;1754675 wrote:I think Henson's deal is a pretty good indication of Thompson's true value. He has no leverage left.
For comparison, career stats for both players(both 24, TT with 1 more year NBA experience).
Henson = 8.1 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.0 apg, 1.5 bpg, 53.1% FG, 53.7% FT.
Thompson = 10.1 ppg, 8.4 rpg, 0.8 apg, 0.7 bpg, 48.8% FG, 63.3% FT.
Henson at ~$11M a year is well priced especially at the new TV deal. TT is being an asshole by going for $18.8M a year.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Oct 6, 2015 4:38pm
What's this I hear about the Cavs signing AI? Lol
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Oct 6, 2015 4:57pm
lol wut?SportsAndLady;1755688 wrote:What's this I hear about the Cavs signing AI? Lol
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Oct 6, 2015 5:10pm
There's apparently tumors out there saying AI and the cavs have discussed his "comeback" at age 40. That's what my friend texted me. Looking it up now and I don't really see anything of substance.like_that;1755691 wrote:lol wut?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 6, 2015 5:47pm
I'd play Delly with 1 leg over AI.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Oct 6, 2015 5:57pm
There's something out there that John Kasich said the Cavs should sign A.I, not that any of the sides have discussed a comeback.SportsAndLady;1755693 wrote:There's apparently tumors out there saying AI and the cavs have discussed his "comeback" at age 40. That's what my friend texted me. Looking it up now and I don't really see anything of substance.
http://www.tmz.com/2015/10/06/ohio-gov-john-kasich-cavs-should-sign-allen-iverson/
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Oct 6, 2015 5:58pm
Yeah, that is definitely a bunch of bullshit lol.SportsAndLady;1755693 wrote:There's apparently tumors out there saying AI and the cavs have discussed his "comeback" at age 40. That's what my friend texted me. Looking it up now and I don't really see anything of substance.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Oct 15, 2015 4:33pm
http://www.fearthesword.com/2015/10/15/9545889/report-cavs-take-offer-to-tristan-thompson-off-the-table
lol TT, like many have pointed out he doesn't have leverage. Never did. Teams aren't breaking down his door to sign him to a max either. Get in line TT.
lol TT, like many have pointed out he doesn't have leverage. Never did. Teams aren't breaking down his door to sign him to a max either. Get in line TT.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Oct 15, 2015 4:59pm
Thanks for posting that, really interesting to read.Commander of Awesome;1757185 wrote:http://www.fearthesword.com/2015/10/15/9545889/report-cavs-take-offer-to-tristan-thompson-off-the-table
lol TT, like many have pointed out he doesn't have leverage. Never did. Teams aren't breaking down his door to sign him to a max either. Get in line TT.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 15, 2015 9:41pm
At this point I really don't care that much if we get TT. Yes, all things equal, I'd like him back but the way he's handled this situation has turned me off entirely as a fan.
The reality is, TT is a nice piece, but with Love, Bron, and Irving he's a luxury not a necessity.
The reality is, TT is a nice piece, but with Love, Bron, and Irving he's a luxury not a necessity.
Benny The Jet
Posts: 2,987
Oct 20, 2015 10:41am
Let me preface this by saying yes I know it's pre-season and it's bad basketball. But has anyone else watched? That Cunningham guy looks pretty good. Any chance he gets a roster spot over Joe Harris? He's a better shooter, finisher, and defender than Harris is....by far.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Oct 20, 2015 10:52am
Sounds like he's the favorite, according to this article...Benny The Jet;1758028 wrote:Let me preface this by saying yes I know it's pre-season and it's bad basketball. But has anyone else watched? That Cunningham guy looks pretty good. Any chance he gets a roster spot over Joe Harris? He's a better shooter, finisher, and defender than Harris is....by far.
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2015/10/19/report-cavaliers-keeping-only-one-unguaranteed-player-likely-a-guard/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs