robj55
Posts: 9,511
Apr 4, 2015 8:16pm
These refs have been very pro Duke if I'm being honest.
robj55
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Apr 4, 2015 8:17pm
Would rather make it there than lose in the second round like someone like Bill Self has done so many times with better teams.Laley23;1718638 wrote:S&L is right. He has made it 7 times and has 1 title and 2 (??) title games. That got Roy run out of Lawrence...
However, once at the FF, anyone can win. So I wouldnt call it a choke. But, he has a really bad track record after the Regionals.
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Apr 4, 2015 8:18pm
That black color guy is terrible. Lol he totally just repeats whatever Raftery says
Mulva
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Apr 4, 2015 8:20pm
You don't know who Grant Hill is?Classyposter58;1718642 wrote:That black color guy is terrible. Lol he totally just repeats whatever Raftery says
Classyposter58
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Apr 4, 2015 8:26pm
Mulva;1718643 wrote:You don't know who Grant Hill is?
Haha I totally forgot he was the announcer there
Laley23
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Apr 4, 2015 8:33pm
Holy hell. And he played for the Pistons. That was great.
SportsAndLady
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Apr 4, 2015 8:35pm
Self has as many championships as Izzo has in 1/4 the opportunities.robj55;1718641 wrote:Would rather make it there than lose in the second round like someone like Bill Self has done so many times with better teams.
And besides why bring self up? It's a fact that Izzo has 1 championship in 7 final fours. That's fucking pathetic.
Are you a MSU fan? That would make sense considering your pro sports "fanhood"
robj55
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Apr 4, 2015 8:38pm
You could substitute Matta or whoever else in there, point being was getting bounced early consistently to worse competition.SportsAndLady;1718647 wrote:Self has as many championships as Izzo has in 1/4 the opportunities.
And besides why bring self up? It's a fact that Izzo has 1 championship in 7 final fours. That's fucking pathetic.
Are you a MSU fan? That would make sense considering your pro sports "fanhood"
Laley23
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Apr 4, 2015 8:40pm
I wouldnt say pathetic. I mean, Dean Smith was 2/11.
But, its definitely not what you expect.
But, its definitely not what you expect.
SportsAndLady
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Apr 4, 2015 8:40pm
No one is arguing (besides maybe rec) against Izzo in the tourney. It's just that in the final four he loses. Except for one time he loses.robj55;1718648 wrote:You could substitute Matta or whoever else in there, point being was getting bounced early consistently to worse competition.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Apr 4, 2015 8:44pm
I wasn't trying to take a shot at Self, just saying I would rather make it to the final four consistently than lose to outmatched opposition early in the tournament consistently.SportsAndLady;1718650 wrote:No one is arguing (besides maybe rec) against Izzo in the tourney. It's just that in the final four he loses. Except for one time he loses.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Apr 4, 2015 8:45pm
To bring some actual numbers into the discussion...
1999: 1, lost to 1
2000: 1, beat 8, beat 5
2001: 1, lost to 2
2005: 5, lost to 1
2009: 2, beat 1, lost to 1
2010: 5, lost to 5
2015: 7, lost to 1
Higher seed: 2-1
Even seed: 0-2
Lower seed: 1-3
1999: 1, lost to 1
2000: 1, beat 8, beat 5
2001: 1, lost to 2
2005: 5, lost to 1
2009: 2, beat 1, lost to 1
2010: 5, lost to 5
2015: 7, lost to 1
Higher seed: 2-1
Even seed: 0-2
Lower seed: 1-3
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 4, 2015 8:51pm
Here's some more numbers:Mulva;1718652 wrote:To bring some actual numbers into the discussion...
1999: 1, lost to 1
2000: 1, beat 8, beat 5
2001: 1, lost to 2
2005: 5, lost to 1
2009: 2, beat 1, lost to 1
2010: 5, lost to 5
2015: 7, lost to 1
Higher seed: 2-1
Even seed: 0-2
Lower seed: 1-3
He's been to the final four seven times and has one national championship.
That's a 14% rate. Yikes
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Apr 4, 2015 8:51pm
Only watched about 1/2 (watched all the 14-6 start....then took a break and came back and they were up 4)...but that was great showing by Duke. All the different defenses and each of the big 3 played as needed. I don't know if they can beat Kentucky but we'll get to see.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Apr 4, 2015 8:54pm
This post sounds like a hater tbh manSportsAndLady;1718653 wrote:Here's some more numbers:
He's been to the final four seven times and has one national championship.
That's a 14% rate. Yikes
Mulva
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Apr 4, 2015 8:54pm
Based on seed, he should have won 1.5. What a horrible underachievement.SportsAndLady;1718653 wrote:Here's some more numbers:
He's been to the final four seven times and has one national championship.
That's a 14% rate. Yikes
SportsAndLady
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Apr 4, 2015 8:56pm
"Based on seed"Mulva;1718656 wrote:Based on seed, he should have won 1.5. What a horrible underachievement.
Throw seeds out the window in the final four. He gets there, then he loses.
Izzo is a great fucking coach. One of my favorites. But when he gets to the final four, he chokes on apple sauce.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Apr 4, 2015 8:57pm
This hating on Izzo is crazy....really crazy.
Mulva
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Apr 4, 2015 8:59pm
There is nothing choking about losing to a better team. I don't get how that's a tough concept.
SportsAndLady
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Apr 4, 2015 9:00pm
It's not a tough concept it's a flawed concept.Mulva;1718660 wrote:There is nothing choking about losing to a better team. I don't get how that's a tough concept.
Two years ago Wichita was the 1 seed and everyone knew Kentucky would beat them. Was that a gigantic upset?
Ironman92
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Apr 4, 2015 9:01pm
How can you throw seeds out? They ran the easiest region and then were defeated by the better team. Everyone knew they were the 4th best team in the Final 4....had they lost by 6 in a tighter game would it have been a choke?SportsAndLady;1718658 wrote:"Based on seed"
Throw seeds out the window in the final four. He gets there, then he loses.
Izzo is a great fucking coach. One of my favorites. But when he gets to the final four, he chokes on apple sauce.
Izzo is awesome. Are we going to pounce on Krzyzewski for his record in the final after UK beats them?...and possibly just like Duke beat Mich St.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Apr 4, 2015 9:03pm
I agree it is not a good record and is not something to be touting if your an MSU guy.
But, chokes is the complete wrong word, imo.
But, chokes is the complete wrong word, imo.
SportsAndLady
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Apr 4, 2015 9:03pm
Perhaps you missed my post 7 minutes ago about how I love Izzo and think he's a great coach?Ironman92;1718662 wrote:How can you throw seeds out? They ran the easiest region and then were defeated by the better team. Everyone knew they were the 4th best team in the Final 4....had they lost by 6 in a tighter game would it have been a choke?
Izzo is awesome. Are we going to pounce on Krzyzewski for his record in the final after UK beats them?...and possibly just like Duke beat Mich St.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 4, 2015 9:04pm
Everyone expects Kentucky to beat Wisconsin handily.
But according to mulva's logic, if Kentucky loses its not a bad loss for them because it is even seeding.
But according to mulva's logic, if Kentucky loses its not a bad loss for them because it is even seeding.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Apr 4, 2015 9:10pm
I just wholeheartedly disagree with "choke"SportsAndLady;1718664 wrote:Perhaps you missed my post 7 minutes ago about how I love Izzo and think he's a great coach?
It's good though.
Hope this game is great.