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Feb 26, 2010 5:54 AM
I still think Bradford could be the biggest bust coming out of this draft......just a hunch.
Feb 26, 2010 5:54am
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Feb 26, 2010 8:02 AM
I think all the qb's in this draft will be backups at best...
Feb 26, 2010 8:02am
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Feb 26, 2010 8:29 AM
BR1986FB wrote: Three players that the Browns expressed interest in during the first day of the Combine were LSU OT Ciron Black, Eric Cook, interior lineman (played center), New Mexico and Arizona TE Rob Gronkowski.

The word is that they are looking to get an 'NFL game ready' running back in this draft.

If Bradford drops to #7, he's the likely pick from what I've heard.
No thanks on bradford... brady quinn part 2 IMO.
Feb 26, 2010 8:29am
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BR1986FB

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Feb 26, 2010 8:44 AM
Not really a fan of Bradford either. I'd rather see them trade for McNabb and draft someone in the late rounds like Skelton. I think McNabb could SIGNIFICANTLY improve the offense for 2 years until the torch is passed to a young gun. I was somewhat interested in Kolb but he's not worth giving up the #7 pick AND Shaun Rogers (although Rogers IS expendable in my opinion).

I'd rather cut off my own member and eat it than watch Noodle Arm Quinn or Disaster Anderception take another snap for this team and Wes, before you even start, Troy Smith can go f##k himself. I don't want his sorry ass either. Buckeye QB's SUCK.
Feb 26, 2010 8:44am
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Feb 26, 2010 8:58 AM
^ HaHa... I am all for giving Brady more snaps and getting T. Smith in for a shot. But I think No matter what you have to bring in a vet QB like McNabb or Hasselbeck.
Feb 26, 2010 8:58am
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BR1986FB

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Feb 26, 2010 9:07 AM
OneBuckeye wrote: ^ HaHa... I am all for giving Brady more snaps and getting T. Smith in for a shot. But I think No matter what you have to bring in a vet QB like McNabb or Hasselbeck.
With Holmgren leading the charge if I had to choose I'd take Anderson over Quinn. I think Holmgren might be able to fix DA but he's not going to give Quinn arm strength.

Not a fan of bringing in Hasselbeck.
Feb 26, 2010 9:07am
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Feb 26, 2010 10:27 AM
BR1986FB wrote:
OneBuckeye wrote: ^ HaHa... I am all for giving Brady more snaps and getting T. Smith in for a shot. But I think No matter what you have to bring in a vet QB like McNabb or Hasselbeck.
With Holmgren leading the charge if I had to choose I'd take Anderson over Quinn. I think Holmgren might be able to fix DA but he's not going to give Quinn arm strength.

Not a fan of bringing in Hasselbeck.
Seeing Anderson at QB makes me want to kick baby kittens. I would much rather have Quinn. I would prefer McNabb or Hasselbeck over either.
Feb 26, 2010 10:27am
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BR1986FB

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Feb 26, 2010 10:32 AM
Gobuckeyes1 wrote:
BR1986FB wrote:
OneBuckeye wrote: ^ HaHa... I am all for giving Brady more snaps and getting T. Smith in for a shot. But I think No matter what you have to bring in a vet QB like McNabb or Hasselbeck.
With Holmgren leading the charge if I had to choose I'd take Anderson over Quinn. I think Holmgren might be able to fix DA but he's not going to give Quinn arm strength.

Not a fan of bringing in Hasselbeck.
Seeing Anderson at QB makes me want to kick baby kittens. I would much rather have Quinn. I would prefer McNabb or Hasselbeck over either.
Don't be kickin' no baby kittens...
Feb 26, 2010 10:32am
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Feb 26, 2010 10:34 AM
BR1986FB wrote: I was somewhat interested in Kolb but he's not worth giving up the #7 pick AND Shaun Rogers (although Rogers IS expendable in my opinion).
LOL. That is not happening. Pretty dumb to even consider.

And discounting TS because of his college is pretty ignorant. He has been an NFL player for 3 years now. His college playing days mean very little.
Feb 26, 2010 10:34am
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BR1986FB

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Feb 26, 2010 10:40 AM
dat dude wrote:
BR1986FB wrote: I was somewhat interested in Kolb but he's not worth giving up the #7 pick AND Shaun Rogers (although Rogers IS expendable in my opinion).
LOL. That is not happening. Pretty dumb to even consider.

And discounting TS because of his college is pretty ignorant. He has been an NFL player for 3 years now. His college playing days mean very little.
No. I discount Smith because he's a shitty player. Doesn't matter what school he's from. He has a long windup (ala Tebow) and his accuracy is nothing to write home about.
Feb 26, 2010 10:40am
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Feb 26, 2010 10:46 AM
BR1986FB wrote:
dat dude wrote:
BR1986FB wrote: I was somewhat interested in Kolb but he's not worth giving up the #7 pick AND Shaun Rogers (although Rogers IS expendable in my opinion).
LOL. That is not happening. Pretty dumb to even consider.

And discounting TS because of his college is pretty ignorant. He has been an NFL player for 3 years now. His college playing days mean very little.
No. I discount Smith because he's a shitty player. Doesn't matter what school he's from. He has a long windup (ala Tebow) and his accuracy is nothing to write home about.
Ok. Then I guess we agree the "Buckeye QB's SUCK" comment was irrelevant to the issue. That is all I was commenting on.
Feb 26, 2010 10:46am
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BR1986FB

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Feb 26, 2010 10:50 AM
dat dude wrote:
BR1986FB wrote:
dat dude wrote:
BR1986FB wrote: I was somewhat interested in Kolb but he's not worth giving up the #7 pick AND Shaun Rogers (although Rogers IS expendable in my opinion).
LOL. That is not happening. Pretty dumb to even consider.

And discounting TS because of his college is pretty ignorant. He has been an NFL player for 3 years now. His college playing days mean very little.
No. I discount Smith because he's a shitty player. Doesn't matter what school he's from. He has a long windup (ala Tebow) and his accuracy is nothing to write home about.
Ok. Then I guess we agree the "Buckeye QB's SUCK" comment was irrelevant to the issue. That is all I was commenting on.
Understood. OSU hasn't exactly been a hotbed for QB's though. I like their O-Linemen & DB's though.
Feb 26, 2010 10:50am
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Feb 26, 2010 10:59 AM
finally someone with brains to talk browns.


Agree with most of what you said, I think quinn can be fixed, not an all-pro, but a starter who can play a role similar to vince young/kc in tennessee. McNabb is a good get depending on the price. I think the browns have to get some DB help asap and look for a RB in the late rounds. We shouldn't expect any good from any browns QB unless they get some WR help.


regarding hasselback: do not want.
Feb 26, 2010 10:59am
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Feb 26, 2010 11:01 AM
I think that the browns should wait and draft someone like Tony Pike or Tim Hiller... I think Holmgren can work his magic with one of them. Then you bring in a vet as well.
Feb 26, 2010 11:01am
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Feb 26, 2010 11:03 AM
I'll be very disappointed with our #7 pick if it's Bradford.

I still feel our QB's we have at present have been mis-managed, they're not great, but things could have been done better to utilize them.
Feb 26, 2010 11:03am
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BR1986FB

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Feb 26, 2010 11:22 AM
j_crazy wrote: finally someone with brains to talk browns.


Agree with most of what you said, I think quinn can be fixed, not an all-pro,
See...this is my issue. I'm NOT willing to wait and suffer through another year of Quinn. If this team has a serviceable QB last year they are probably an 8-8 team. I don't believe the "Peyton Manning couldn't have suceeded with our WR's" crap.

McNabb isn't a long term solution but if they can get an ACCURATE QB, LT, #1 WR and maybe a home run hitting RB, this team could make some noise THIS year...not the "it's part of the process" crap that Mangini is feeding us.

What pisses me off, MOST, in hindsight is the selection of Veikune when TWO picks later the Vikings select their STARTING RT, Phil Loadholt. We draft Loadholt and our O-Line is virtually a strength.

As it was, last years' team coulda/shoulda/woulda been at least 7-9 (choked against Detroit and outplayed Cincy the 1st game).
Feb 26, 2010 11:22am
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Feb 26, 2010 11:30 AM
I'm not trying to say the WR are the reason they didn't succeed, but if you've made the choice to be a run first team, when you need to pass you've gotta have something to throw to otherwise you're not going to succeed.

I also like the idea of bringing in a veteran to win now and let DA and/or BQ wait in the wings where the staff can see progress or lack thereof and when the time comes for McNabb or whatever vet is there to ride off, you know whether you've got anything to work with or if you go back to a vet and draft a new rookie. I'm not looking for a LT in this draft you can get a slew of RT's, and there are some great options in FA this year so the OL shouldn't be hard to work out. I think they need more talent in the backend of that defense otherwise they need a vastly improved pass rush.
Feb 26, 2010 11:30am
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Feb 26, 2010 11:43 AM
OneBuckeye wrote:
BR1986FB wrote: Three players that the Browns expressed interest in during the first day of the Combine were LSU OT Ciron Black, Eric Cook, interior lineman (played center), New Mexico and Arizona TE Rob Gronkowski.

The word is that they are looking to get an 'NFL game ready' running back in this draft.

If Bradford drops to #7, he's the likely pick from what I've heard.
No thanks on bradford... brady quinn part 2 IMO.
Wow, what an ignorant comment considering we don't know what Brady's fate is in the NFL just yet. He's not a bust, and he's also not proven that he deserved to be a 1st rounder.

Let the kid get more than 12 games in the NFL before you act like you know something about judging NFL talent.

Thanks.
Feb 26, 2010 11:43am
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Feb 26, 2010 11:44 AM
Interesting stat:

In 438 attempts by Anderson and Quinn combined, the Browns WR's, TE's, and RB's totalled 37 dropped passes.

Browns- 438 attempts- 37 drops
Aaron Rodgers- 541 attempts- 45 drops
Matt Cassel- 494 attempts- 42 drops
Tony Romo- 550 attempts- 34 drops
Tom Brady- 565 attempts- 34 drops

There were only 2 QB's who had more drops than us, and they had quite a few more attempts than the Browns.

There's no doubt that we need to improve our pass catching.
Feb 26, 2010 11:44am
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Feb 26, 2010 11:53 AM
j_crazy...I'm a dumbass and my posts might not be coherent since I've been sick for the past 2 weeks. I meant RT, not LT. We have the best LT in the business.

I think they will target a WR like Kevin Walter in FA. I wouldn't be opposed to bringing back Antonio Bryant either. I think they will try to snag a few offensive players in FA and fix the defense, with youth, in the draft.

I've made this comment before...the advantage that the Browns have over the other teams in the division is "makeup speed" in the draft. Because the other divisional teams are so talent laden, they can draft guys that may not make an impact every down. For instance, if the Steelers draft a pass rushing OLB with their #1 pick (highly doubtful), what are they going to do, bench James Harrison? Two players can't be on the field at the VERY SAME position at the same time. The Browns have Cribbs, Mack, Thomas and Eric Wright, IMO as their best players. Any upgrades they make with youth are going to help get them up to speed faster.

As far as the QB situation, I'd rather they bring in a vet for 2 years and draft a Lefevour, Pike or Skelton later to groom for the future. Quinn and the Browns need to part ways.
Feb 26, 2010 11:53am
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Feb 26, 2010 11:57 AM
DaBrowns41 wrote:
OneBuckeye wrote:
BR1986FB wrote: Three players that the Browns expressed interest in during the first day of the Combine were LSU OT Ciron Black, Eric Cook, interior lineman (played center), New Mexico and Arizona TE Rob Gronkowski.

The word is that they are looking to get an 'NFL game ready' running back in this draft.

If Bradford drops to #7, he's the likely pick from what I've heard.
No thanks on bradford... brady quinn part 2 IMO.
Wow, what an ignorant comment considering we don't know what Brady's fate is in the NFL just yet. He's not a bust, and he's also not proven that he deserved to be a 1st rounder.

Let the kid get more than 12 games in the NFL before you act like you know something about judging NFL talent.

Thanks.
Haha...because I'm the ONLY one who thinks Quinn is worthless. Nice try, asshole.
Feb 26, 2010 11:57am
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DaBrowns41

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Feb 26, 2010 12:14 PM
You do know that I was quoting OneBuckeye... right?

Thanks for calling me an asshole, though. Real classy.
Feb 26, 2010 12:14pm
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Feb 26, 2010 12:20 PM
DaBrowns41 wrote: You do know that I was quoting OneBuckeye... right?

Thanks for calling me an asshole, though. Real classy.
In regards to your response, I think you ignorantly judged brady in your reposnse when you said he hasn't proved he deserved to be a first rounder. I don't think the ship has sailed completely on Brady, but bringing in a first round pick with all the hoopla is going to be the same thing that happend when we drafted brady, and I think Bradford is not worthy of a first round pick, and to have expectations of him (or any QB) to come in a perform like a Joe Flacco or a Matt Ryan right off the bat is nuts. Thanks for supporting my point.
Feb 26, 2010 12:20pm
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Feb 26, 2010 12:23 PM
BR1986FB wrote: j_crazy...I'm a dumbass and my posts might not be coherent since I've been sick for the past 2 weeks. I meant RT, not LT. We have the best LT in the business.

I think they will target a WR like Kevin Walter in FA. I wouldn't be opposed to bringing back Antonio Bryant either. I think they will try to snag a few offensive players in FA and fix the defense, with youth, in the draft.

I've made this comment before...the advantage that the Browns have over the other teams in the division is "makeup speed" in the draft. Because the other divisional teams are so talent laden, they can draft guys that may not make an impact every down. For instance, if the Steelers draft a pass rushing OLB with their #1 pick (highly doubtful), what are they going to do, bench James Harrison? Two players can't be on the field at the VERY SAME position at the same time. The Browns have Cribbs, Mack, Thomas and Eric Wright, IMO as their best players. Any upgrades they make with youth are going to help get them up to speed faster.

As far as the QB situation, I'd rather they bring in a vet for 2 years and draft a Lefevour, Pike or Skelton later to groom for the future. Quinn and the Browns need to part ways.
As a Dolphins fan I disagree that you have the best LT, but you have a damn good one. I think the browns should take a sam young or ciron black.

i love lefevour in this draft could be a steal.
Feb 26, 2010 12:23pm
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DaBrowns41

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Feb 26, 2010 12:31 PM
OneBuckeye wrote:
DaBrowns41 wrote: You do know that I was quoting OneBuckeye... right?

Thanks for calling me an asshole, though. Real classy.
In regards to your response, I think you ignorantly judged brady in your reposnse when you said he hasn't proved he deserved to be a first rounder. I don't think the ship has sailed completely on Brady, but bringing in a first round pick with all the hoopla is going to be the same thing that happend when we drafted brady, and I think Bradford is not worthy of a first round pick, and to have expectations of him (or any QB) to come in a perform like a Joe Flacco or a Matt Ryan right off the bat is nuts. Thanks for supporting my point.
Well, the situation isn't that much different than Alex Smith's in San Fran. Smith had 5 different OC's in 5 seasons. Quinn has had 2 OC's in 3 seasons.

Smith had no help, but at least had some sort of running game. Quinn didn't have a running game until the end of this season.

I didn't support your point, simply because only an idiot judges NFL talent after 1 season or less. You have to gives players 2 full seasons of games in order to really judge, otherwise you have a terribly small sample size.

Imagine if Steve Young, Drew Brees, Brett Favre, Donovan McNabb, Peyton Manning, or Eli Manning, along with many others were judged after 12 games and were ridden of.

Not to mention, bringing in another young QB when the best player on offense that's not on the offensive line is Jerome Harrison just isn't a smart move. When you have zero play makers around you, you can't be expected to succeed.

Here... Read this: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/338263-first-round-quarterbacks-what-do-they-need-for-success


Maybe you'll learn a thing or two.
Feb 26, 2010 12:31pm