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Mar 30, 2010 1:06 PM
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Thunder70 wrote: I really like the 3rd option. We need players as one player won't take us over the top. I like the option of getting a lot of people. However, that doesn't mean we drade down three times to get a center. I didn't like that at all.
Alex Mack was a GREAT pick. I have no issue trading down 2, 3 times in this draft. If we could end up with a later 1st rounder, a couple of 2nd's and 3-4 thirds, I'd be ecstatic.
I agree. As long as we don't end up with a later 1st rounder, two 6's and the third string QB from Arena II.
Mar 30, 2010 1:06pm
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Mar 30, 2010 1:14 PM
BCBulldog wrote:
BR1986FB wrote:
Thunder70 wrote: I really like the 3rd option. We need players as one player won't take us over the top. I like the option of getting a lot of people. However, that doesn't mean we drade down three times to get a center. I didn't like that at all.
Alex Mack was a GREAT pick. I have no issue trading down 2, 3 times in this draft. If we could end up with a later 1st rounder, a couple of 2nd's and 3-4 thirds, I'd be ecstatic.
I agree. As long as we don't end up with a later 1st rounder, two 6's and the third string QB from Arena II.
Exactly. Mangini got his pants taken down in those trades last year. Hopefully Heckert is a bit more shrewd.
Mar 30, 2010 1:14pm
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Sonofanump

Mar 30, 2010 1:42 PM
I guess option #4 or #1 makes the most sense. I think they should use the 7th pick which actually does not look to be that bad of a place to be, stay put, the worst you will get is Berry, Haden, Bradford or a OL (Okung or Bulaga). This is assuming Suh and McCoy are taken leaving one of the mentioned 5 available. If you are left with McCoy, work the phones to peddle Rogers for something.
Mar 30, 2010 1:42pm
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devil1197

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Mar 30, 2010 1:50 PM
#4 for me.

We have enough picks and some talent to trade without giving up the #7 while still getting into the late 1st.
Mar 30, 2010 1:50pm
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pkebker

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Mar 30, 2010 2:08 PM
I'm a fan of staying put drafting Berry/Haden...or trading down and drafting a LB/DB/OL...It would be awesome if we got two first rounders though...I can't say I'd object to that either.
Mar 30, 2010 2:08pm
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Mar 30, 2010 2:11 PM
BR1986FB wrote:
BCBulldog wrote:
BR1986FB wrote:
Thunder70 wrote: I really like the 3rd option. We need players as one player won't take us over the top. I like the option of getting a lot of people. However, that doesn't mean we drade down three times to get a center. I didn't like that at all.
Alex Mack was a GREAT pick. I have no issue trading down 2, 3 times in this draft. If we could end up with a later 1st rounder, a couple of 2nd's and 3-4 thirds, I'd be ecstatic.
I agree. As long as we don't end up with a later 1st rounder, two 6's and the third string QB from Arena II.
Exactly. Mangini got his pants taken down in those trades last year. Hopefully Heckert is a bit more shrewd.
I genuinely think it is impossible to be less shrewd than ManKok was/were in last year's draft.
Mar 30, 2010 2:11pm
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Mar 30, 2010 2:33 PM
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BR1986FB

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Mar 30, 2010 3:07 PM
Supposedly on ESPN Insider there is a blurb that the Raiders have been offered a 2nd round pick THIS year and a 1st round pick NEXT year for their first rounder (#8) this year. If you were the Browns, would you do this trade and have the #7 & #8 pick in THIS draft?
Mar 30, 2010 3:07pm
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Mar 30, 2010 3:11 PM
BR1986FB wrote: Supposedly on ESPN Insider there is a blurb that the Raiders have been offered a 2nd round pick THIS year and a 1st round pick NEXT year for their first rounder (#8) this year. If you were the Browns, would you do this trade and have the #7 & #8 pick in THIS draft?
Maybe on draft day, but not before. If (huge IF), Berry and Haden are both there, I could see the Browns doing it.
Mar 30, 2010 3:11pm
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Mar 30, 2010 3:15 PM
That's a tough one. I would do it if I had a suitor for one of the #1 picks that would return a proven vet at a need spot, otherwise I'd be less inclined to give up the one 2011.
Mar 30, 2010 3:15pm
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Mar 30, 2010 3:16 PM
BR1986FB wrote: Supposedly on ESPN Insider there is a blurb that the Raiders have been offered a 2nd round pick THIS year and a 1st round pick NEXT year for their first rounder (#8) this year. If you were the Browns, would you do this trade and have the #7 & #8 pick in THIS draft?
Depends.

Do the Browns want to take a QB in this year's draft for their QB of the future? AKA, are they willing to trade up to get Bradford? If they are, then yes you take this trade.

If not, then no you don't take this trade because next year's QB class will be very good and you have to think they'd take their QB of the future next year.
Mar 30, 2010 3:16pm
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BR1986FB

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Mar 30, 2010 3:17 PM
BCBulldog wrote:
BR1986FB wrote: Supposedly on ESPN Insider there is a blurb that the Raiders have been offered a 2nd round pick THIS year and a 1st round pick NEXT year for their first rounder (#8) this year. If you were the Browns, would you do this trade and have the #7 & #8 pick in THIS draft?
Maybe on draft day, but not before. If (huge IF), Berry and Haden are both there, I could see the Browns doing it.
Exactly what I was thinking. Haden AND Berry would definitely put a dent in our secondary issues. It would be like landing Top Dawg & Mighty Minny all over again. :D (Except one is a safety and one a corner)
Mar 30, 2010 3:17pm
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Mar 30, 2010 3:25 PM
BR1986FB wrote: Supposedly on ESPN Insider there is a blurb that the Raiders have been offered a 2nd round pick THIS year and a 1st round pick NEXT year for their first rounder (#8) this year. If you were the Browns, would you do this trade and have the #7 & #8 pick in THIS draft?
While the Oakland Raiders currently retain the title of "team to beat" in the Donovan McNabb sweepstakes, there could be another explosive trade percolating a little more under the radar.

According to what a league source has told David White of the San Francisco Chronicle, the Raiders have been offered a second-rounder in this year's draft, plus that team's 2011 first-rounder in exchange for the Raiders' first-rounder this year (No. 8 overall). This would put the Raiders back into next year's first round, as their pick already belongs to the New England Patriots from the Richard Seymour trade.

Sounds complex, but it makes sense if there's some team that really needs to jump over the Buffalo Bills at No. 9 and Jacksonville Jaguars at No. 10. Perhaps someone looking at a particular QB, for instance.

That's the article.
Mar 30, 2010 3:25pm
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Mar 30, 2010 3:37 PM
If we had the 7 & 8 I sure as Hell wouldn't be using one of those picks on a QB. That would mean Jimmy Clausen unless they planned on using the 7 & 8 to move up to #1 for Bradford. I'd be too tempted to use both of those picks on defensive studs. A draft like that would be like the previously mentioned Ratturds draft in which they landed Jonathan Ogden and Killa Ray in the 1st round.
Mar 30, 2010 3:37pm
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Mar 30, 2010 3:39 PM
BR1986FB wrote: If we had the 7 & 8 I sure as Hell wouldn't be using one of those picks on a QB.
I'm not necessarily saying they should, just that without a 1st rounder next year, where they gonna get their QB of the future, unless they plan on trading for one or getting one in the 2nd round or beyond, which is more of a stretch, imo.
Mar 30, 2010 3:39pm
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pkebker

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Mar 30, 2010 3:40 PM
I wouldn't want to trade next year's first round pick. It's dangerous business to be trading first round picks. When next year rolls around, we will really be missing that first round pick.
Mar 30, 2010 3:40pm
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Mar 30, 2010 4:55 PM
I'm not in favor of trading away 1st round picks either. Stay put this year and draft defense in the first round. Not a fan of moving up to draft Bradford. Snead will be available 3rd to 4th round. Draft him and if he is a head case your not out that much and could use next years 1st rounder for offense (qb?).
Mar 30, 2010 4:55pm
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Footwedge

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Mar 30, 2010 5:10 PM
Snead was horrible last year...he will not be drafted at all. probably 20 quarterbacks better than Snead.
Mar 30, 2010 5:10pm
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Mar 30, 2010 5:11 PM
Snead will get drafted, but his stock fell completely after Ole Miss was getting a ton of pub and they fell flat.

5th Rd+ for him but some team will give him a shot to hold a clip board.
Mar 30, 2010 5:11pm
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Mar 30, 2010 5:17 PM
BR1986FB wrote: The asking price of a 1st and 2-2nd's? The Rams would laugh in our faces. At a MINIMUM we'd have to give up our 2010 & 2011 1st's plus at least a second to even get them to perk up their ears.
I disagree. We will find out on draft day how much that choice is worth. I say that, because I think the Rams will trade it somewhere. Don't forget, the #1 pick ties up a lot of money....and as such, devalues the number 1 overall pick somewhat.
Mar 30, 2010 5:17pm
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Mar 30, 2010 5:19 PM
devil1197 wrote: Snead will get drafted, but his stock fell completely after Ole Miss was getting a ton of pub and they fell flat.

5th Rd+ for him but some team will give him a shot to hold a clip board.
I really doubt that he gets drafted. His stock didn't drop...it fell off the radar screen completely.
Mar 30, 2010 5:19pm
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pkebker

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Mar 30, 2010 5:27 PM
Snead definitely gets drafted, and I think he is better than many give him credit for. That whole Ole Miss team underpreformed.
Mar 30, 2010 5:27pm
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Mar 30, 2010 5:31 PM
BR1986FB wrote:Exactly what I was thinking. Haden AND Berry would definitely put a dent in our secondary issues. It would be like landing Top Dawg & Mighty Minny all over again. :D (Except one is a safety and one a corner)
I had the same images flash through my mind. :D
Mar 30, 2010 5:31pm
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BR1986FB

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Mar 30, 2010 8:03 PM
Footwedge wrote:
BR1986FB wrote: The asking price of a 1st and 2-2nd's? The Rams would laugh in our faces. At a MINIMUM we'd have to give up our 2010 & 2011 1st's plus at least a second to even get them to perk up their ears.
I disagree. We will find out on draft day how much that choice is worth. I say that, because I think the Rams will trade it somewhere. Don't forget, the #1 pick ties up a lot of money....and as such, devalues the number 1 overall pick somewhat.
Remember the Eli Manning/Phillip Rivers deal? The Giants gave up and arm and a leg for Eli. Hell, in 2007 we had to give up a lot just to move up to #22.

Besides, I think it's a moot point as far as the Browns are concerned. I think that he could pull a "John Elway" and say he won't sign with the Rams. I could then see the Rams trading with the Redskins at #4.
Mar 30, 2010 8:03pm
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Sonofanump

Mar 30, 2010 11:18 PM
BR1986FB wrote: Besides, I think it's a moot point as far as the Browns are concerned. I think that he could pull a "John Elway" and say he won't sign with the Rams. I could then see the Rams trading with the Redskins at #4.
But Elway had a little leverage, he could hit a curveball. He told Irsay to F'off that he would just play baseball.
Mar 30, 2010 11:18pm