Let's face it, the knock on Miller was he wasnt that great throwing the football. Now he will be coming in after a second shoulder injury and to be honest the team cannot afford a break in period. There arent pre season games to get him true game action. What he did was great for OSU, but Barrett set offensive records with very little practice/prep time comparably speaking, and we all know what Jones did as well.

You dont throw miller out with the trash, but you have to be realistic in the best chances for the team next year, and somewhat, going forward.

se-alum;1699009 wrote:I just don't think the offense ran as smoothly with Miller as it has with Jones and Barrett. And let's not act like Miller didn't have plenty of weapons. He had the same receiving corp plus a starting NFL receiver, he had Hyde, a professional offensive line, and the same TE's.

He didn't have the same weapons. Not sure why people think he did. And Meyer was as down on our WR as anyone up until this year. He publicly ripped our WR for two years. Miller didn't have Marshall or Thomas either. And yes he did have a great back and Oline. No question. But these WR made plays this past year, they were not capable of making the previous years. They were a year better and a couple seniors as well. That makes a difference. These QB's easly had better overall skill players around JT and Jones. And I am not saying that to take anything away from JT or Jones. But its just the facts.
And, even at that, Miller did complete as many pass %, ran for more yards and our offense put up similar numbers.
The DIFFERENCE this year, we finally had an assemblance of a defense. Something Miller and the offense DID NOT have, for two years! So that pressure on the offense in previous years...was enormous. They carried that team for two years with a piss poor defense. That is something that can't be denied. '

I realize JT was a better/more accurate passer. But Miller was not as bad as some make him out to be. And as a runner, EASILY the better. Maybe one of the best running QB's I have ever seen in the open field. A threat to go all the way every time.

thavoice;1699011 wrote:Let's face it, the knock on Miller was he wasnt that great throwing the football. Now he will be coming in after a second shoulder injury and to be honest the team cannot afford a break in period. There arent pre season games to get him true game action. What he did was great for OSU, but Barrett set offensive records with very little practice/prep time comparably speaking, and we all know what Jones did as well.

You dont throw miller out with the trash, but you have to be realistic in the best chances for the team next year, and somewhat, going forward.

2100yds, 24 TD's, 64% completion percentage last year. QB rating of 158. 3yrs overall, over 5000yds, 59% completion, 52 TD's throwing. Not too shabby gentleman.

And I get the rest. I am just saying the guy is better than some want to believe. EVery QB has strength and weaknessess. Miller not as good as JT throwing. But better runner, game breaker easily. Give and take.

Oddly enough both Miller and Barrett had the same amount of carries in 2014 (JT) and 2013 for BM.

BM avgd 6.2 ypc, had a long of 70 and 12 TD's in basically 11 full games.

Barrett avg 5.5, had a long of 86 and had 11 TD's in 12 games.

centralbucksfan;1699049 wrote:2100yds, 24 TD's, 64% completion percentage last year. QB rating of 158. 3yrs overall, over 5000yds, 59% completion, 52 TD's throwing. Not too shabby gentleman.

And I get the rest. I am just saying the guy is better than some want to believe. EVery QB has strength and weaknessess. Miller not as good as JT throwing. But better runner, game breaker easily. Give and take.

Yeah, Not sure many are saying BM is horrible, or even a bad QB. Just when you take all the factors into consideration including he is coming off a bad injury to his throwing shoulder, what the other two can do, I just dont see him as the QB going forward.

thavoice;1699054 wrote:Yeah, Not sure many are saying BM is horrible, or even a bad QB. Just when you take all the factors into consideration including he is coming off a bad injury to his throwing shoulder, what the other two can do, I just dont see him as the QB going forward.

If Miller heals, he will be the starter. /Discussion. Upper classmen trump everything else. And with this offense. he will probably win the Heisman.

thavoice;1699052 wrote:Oddly enough both Miller and Barrett had the same amount of carries in 2014 (JT) and 2013 for BM.

BM avgd 6.2 ypc, had a long of 70 and 12 TD's in basically 11 full games.

Barrett avg 5.5, had a long of 86 and had 11 TD's in 12 games.

Those numbers don't scream "clearly" better to me. Different types of runners, definitely

Footwedge;1699057 wrote:If Miller heals, he will be the starter. /Discussion. Upper classmen trump everything else. And with this offense. he will probably win the Heisman.

In most any instance I would agree with you, for about the first time ever. Upper classmen usually trump all.
But I am not sure we have seen a case like this before when the backup puts up heisman numbers, and then the other backup wins the NC.
Does UM want to have Miller start, knowing he is fragile and his style of play very easily leads to him injuring that shoulder again and then have to rely on the backup again? Worked this year, doesnt mean we get the same result next.

se-alum;1699059 wrote:Those numbers don't scream "clearly" better to me. Different types of runners, definitely

Oh I agree. I was just looking up the numbers and saw both had I think it was 171 carries in their recent full seasons. Decent comparision.

Footwedge;1699057 wrote:If Miller heals, he will be the starter. /Discussion. Upper classmen trump everything else. And with this offense. he will probably win the Heisman.

But that's not true at all. On Urban Meyer's teams the best player plays. Braxton is a big quetsion mark when it comes to the passing game.

Fly4Fun;1699073 wrote:But that's not true at all. On Urban Meyer's teams the best player plays. Braxton is a big quetsion mark when it comes to the passing game.

Consider the source

More numbers for dummies

2014
Offense
44.8 points/game
511 yards of total offense
264 yards rushing
247 yards passing

Defense
22 points/game
342 yards/game
141 yards rushing
201 yards passing
25 interceptions
+7 turnover margin

2013
offense
45.5 points/game
511 yards of total offense
308 yards rushing
203 yards passing

Defense
22.6 points/game
109 yards rushing
268 yards passing
16 interceptions
+5 turnover margin

Thank you.

The offense was fine with Miller. It's been beaten to death, but for the 834782109457th time.....the defense was the problem.


That being said, I'm on the Cardale bandwagon. I hope he's the starter.

FatHobbit;1699078 wrote:More numbers for dummies

2014
Offense
44.8 points/game
511 yards of total offense
264 yards rushing
247 yards passing

Defense
22 points/game
342 yards/game
141 yards rushing
201 yards passing
25 interceptions
+7 turnover margin

2013
offense
45.5 points/game
511 yards of total offense
308 yards rushing
203 yards passing

Defense
22.6 points/game
109 yards rushing
268 yards passing
16 interceptions
+5 turnover margin

So the defense wasn't way better this year?

Automatik;1699081 wrote:Thank you.

The offense was fine with Miller. It's been beaten to death, but for the 834782109457th time.....the defense was the problem.

I agree. The two games they lost, which were the biggest gashes of the season which made it hurt more.

Michigan state 34-24
438 yards total offense
304 passing
134 rushing
1 turnover

OSU
374 yards of total offense
101 passing
273 rushing
0 turnovers

Clemson 40-35
576 yards of total offense
378 yards passing
198 rushing
2 turnovers

OSU
427 yards total offense
234 yards passing
193 yards rushing
4 turnovers (2 were interceptions)

And Braxton played a large part of this game injured.

se-alum;1699082 wrote:So the defense wasn't way better this year?

Not by the average, but it was terrible in the two losses.

And just to compare

2014

Oregon
20 points
465 yards

OSU
42 points
538 yards
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Alabama
35 points
407 yards

OSU
42 points
537 yards
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Wisconsin
0 points
258 yards

OSU
59 points
558 yards

centralbucksfan;1698981 wrote:Not saying it should be Miller next year. But again, I think people forget that he did in fact complete nearly 65% of his passes two years ago. He got better each year as well. What he would have done this past year with the weapons that the other two had...we can only guess. But I would venture to say he would have been neck and neck with Marriota for the Heisman. The guy would have been the most decorated player in the history of the big ten as well. Just bothers me a bit that people discount what Miller did for this program. He litterally carried this team for 3yrs as the defense was just bad. And I hope that IF it would happen to be Miller who wins the job(doubtful, and I think he will leave anyway if healthy), that OSU fans don't turn into idiots and turn on him.
Quite honestly, OSU will and should win every game going into the Big Ten title game with any three of the QB's. Too much overall talent on this team.

I agree with every bit of this. I'm going to root for whoever the starter is, but I would love it if Braxton could go out on top. First he will have to be healthy, and then we'll see how things play out.

Think we can all agree the offense is in good hands no matter whom the QB is.
I would just prefer to see Barrett/Jones and Miller the last option.

thavoice;1699091 wrote:Think we can all agree the offense is in good hands no matter whom the QB is.
I would just prefer to see Barrett/Jones and Miller the last option.

But you're not even an Ohio State fan so why do you give a fuck?

SportsAndLady;1699092 wrote:But you're not even an Ohio State fan so why do you give a fuck?

Why cant I give a fuck? I enjoy football, and a good team and it is much more interesting when OSU is doing well. What they did was unreal this year. I am not an OSU jock sniffer like many of you but ever since was had a couple of local kids start for the bucks I watch and follow them.

I watched more CFB this year than in a long time and I think much of it had to do with a playoff.

Just curious why one would prefer to see a particular QB over other QBs when that person isn't a fan of that team

SportsAndLady;1699095 wrote:Just curious why one would prefer to see a particular QB over other QBs when that person isn't a fan of that team

Understandable. Ever since Todd Boeckman went there and then Ross Homan, two local kids, I started to follow them and want them to win. Wouldnt consider myself a fan in terms that I dont have that emotional attachment to them like I do my fav teams, but I still watch many of the games and hope they win and I like good football discussion. I know I poke some fun on the browns threads and drive people nuts but most times I try to bring something to talk about. I usually know as much or more about the browns/bengals/buckeyes than some of those so-called hard core fans.


but anyways.......who woulda figured back when tattoo-gate was going on that it was going to lead to something like this. Meyer has OSU in a position to be in contention for a very long time.

I'm fine with any of the 3 starting, but personally I think Barrett provides the best and most consistent option. Braxton is a more dynamic runner and Cardale has a bigger arm, but I think between his running ability and passing that Barrett has more of the total package which I think makes Ohio States offense harder to stop. Braxton was extremely inconsistent to end the previous year (3 of last 5 games below 50% completions) and was never a big thrower (under 200 yards passing 6 games, including 4 of the last 5) and Barrett had 6 games this year with more passing yards than Braxtons highest in 2013. If Braxton or Jones is the starter though I won't have any issues seeing that all 3 when healthy are top 6-7 QBs in college football.

I think Barrett is the worst of all three, Cardale has the most upside and potential at the next level. Braxton is by far the best and most dynamic runner and has a rocket arm but his accuracy seems to come and go. Too bad he got hurt because he would have had a monster year this year imo and prolly would have finished top 2 in the Heisman.