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Jan 23, 2015 5:02 PM
robj55;1699106 wrote:I think Barrett is the worst of all three, Cardale has the most upside and potential at the next level. Braxton is by far the best and most dynamic runner and has a rocket arm but his accuracy seems to come and go. Too bad he got hurt because he would have had a monster year this year imo and prolly would have finished top 2 in the Heisman.
Miller was def in the Heisman talk before he was injured, no doubt about that. Great talent.

If Barrett had been in that same situation, the returning starter, preseason Heisman hopeful, and put up the #'s he did I think he finishes right behind Mariota as well.
Jan 23, 2015 5:02pm
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Terry_Tate;1699098 wrote:I'm fine with any of the 3 starting, but personally I think Barrett provides the best and most consistent option. Braxton is a more dynamic runner and Cardale has a bigger arm, but I think between his running ability and passing that Barrett has more of the total package which I think makes Ohio States offense harder to stop. Braxton was extremely inconsistent to end the previous year (3 of last 5 games below 50% completions) and was never a big thrower (under 200 yards passing 6 games, including 4 of the last 5) and Barrett had 6 games this year with more passing yards than Braxtons highest in 2013. If Braxton or Jones is the starter though I won't have any issues seeing that all 3 when healthy are top 6-7 QBs in college football.
I agree, I think Barrett is pretty far ahead of Miller in the passing game, and better than Cardale though it's closer. Barrett made some throws this year that you rarely see in college football. He throws the ball to a spot where the receiver should be, he don't wait until they're open to throw it. Not many college QB's can do that.
Jan 23, 2015 5:02pm
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Jan 23, 2015 8:20 PM
se-alum;1699009 wrote:I just don't think the offense ran as smoothly with Miller as it has with Jones and Barrett. And let's not act like Miller didn't have plenty of weapons. He had the same receiving corp plus a starting NFL receiver, he had Hyde, a professional offensive line, and the same TE's.
he isn't great at running this offense
Jan 23, 2015 8:20pm
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Jan 23, 2015 8:24 PM
Spock;1699144 wrote:he isn't great at running this offense
What is your basis for this comment?
Jan 23, 2015 8:24pm
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Jan 23, 2015 8:44 PM
Automatik;1699147 wrote:What is your basis for this comment?
I know you didn't ask me, but I imagine Spock would say something similar. The offense seemed "choppy" for lack of a better term with Braxton. A lot of wrong reads on the read option and a passing game that was a lot of Braxton moving around until someone was wide open. Luckily the athletic ability of Braxton made up for a lot of his flaws, but he just never seemed smooth as a QB.
Jan 23, 2015 8:44pm
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Jan 23, 2015 8:48 PM
Agreed. Love brax but his reads in the option game were bad. But he was such a freak runner that he could overcome mistakes. As far as the passing game, he threw a decent deep ball. Wasn't very good with the intermidatw stuff though.

One thing ppl who think brax will start say is that he didn't have the weapons. And while I agree to a point, maybe spencer, Thomas, and especially smith just weren't getting the ball in the right places; jt and cardale found them everywhere.

That being said, if braxton were to be healthy and WIN the job, that'd be awesome. But I just don't see it happening. I think they find a better way to use those legs.
Jan 23, 2015 8:48pm
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Jan 23, 2015 8:55 PM
Midstate01;1699153 wrote:Agreed. Love brax but his reads in the option game were bad. But he was such a freak runner that he could overcome mistakes. As far as the passing game, he threw a decent deep ball. Wasn't very good with the intermidatw stuff though.

One thing ppl who think brax will start say is that he didn't have the weapons. And while I agree to a point, maybe spencer, Thomas, and especially smith just weren't getting the ball in the right places; jt and cardale found them everywhere.

That being said, if braxton were to be healthy and WIN the job, that'd be awesome. But I just don't see it happening. I think they find a better way to use those legs.
If Braxton can't physically play QB, I wonder if he would even entertain trying to play another position or just give up football all together.
Jan 23, 2015 8:55pm
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Jan 23, 2015 9:43 PM
se-alum;1699152 wrote:I know you didn't ask me, but I imagine Spock would say something similar. The offense seemed "choppy" for lack of a better term with Braxton. A lot of wrong reads on the read option and a passing game that was a lot of Braxton moving around until someone was wide open. Luckily the athletic ability of Braxton made up for a lot of his flaws, but he just never seemed smooth as a QB.
Spock is CC by the way.
Jan 23, 2015 9:43pm
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Jan 23, 2015 10:11 PM
SportsAndLady;1699170 wrote:Spock is CC by the way.
IP's matched.
Jan 23, 2015 10:11pm
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Jan 23, 2015 10:14 PM
It's very simple why the offense flowed more fluidly with Barrett and Jones than Miller: third down passing. The other two are a lot more accurate than Miller on third downs and that's why Miller stalled against MSU last year: couldn't sustain drives through conversions. Barrett and Jones seem to be just fine sustaining drives through the air, something they do better than Miller.

Thats IMO. I imagine the stats back me up against top defenses but I'm not doing that research right now.
Jan 23, 2015 10:14pm
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Jan 23, 2015 10:17 PM
SportsAndLady;1699170 wrote:Spock is CC by the way.
I actually hadn't noticed that.
Jan 23, 2015 10:17pm
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Jan 23, 2015 10:37 PM
robj55;1699106 wrote:I think Barrett is the worst of all three, Cardale has the most upside and potential at the next level. Braxton is by far the best and most dynamic runner and has a rocket arm but his accuracy seems to come and go. Too bad he got hurt because he would have had a monster year this year imo and prolly would have finished top 2 in the Heisman.
Hey, here's Rob
Jan 23, 2015 10:37pm
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Jan 23, 2015 10:50 PM
ernest_t_bass;1699185 wrote:Hey, here's Rob
The difference between them is negligible.
Jan 23, 2015 10:50pm
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Jan 24, 2015 12:25 PM
se-alum;1699152 wrote:I know you didn't ask me, but I imagine Spock would say something similar. The offense seemed "choppy" for lack of a better term with Braxton. A lot of wrong reads on the read option and a passing game that was a lot of Braxton moving around until someone was wide open. Luckily the athletic ability of Braxton made up for a lot of his flaws, but he just never seemed smooth as a QB.
I will say that, to me, it seemed at times like Miller was more of an "athlete" playing QB, while the other two generally seemed to be QBs that also happened to be good athletes. No real stat/fact basis offhand to back that up (I'll save any heavy lifting on that to others), but the eye test watching games on TV makes me think that.
Jan 24, 2015 12:25pm
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Jan 25, 2015 12:15 AM
We have 3 quarterbacks that would start for every SEC West team.
Jan 25, 2015 12:15am
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Jan 25, 2015 1:24 AM
Footwedge;1699437 wrote:We have 3 quarterbacks that would start for every SEC West team.
And we have 8 QBs that would start for every SEC East team.
Jan 25, 2015 1:24am
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Jan 25, 2015 4:55 PM
sleeper;1699443 wrote:And we have 8 QBs that would start for every SEC East team.
we have 3 QB's that would start on every team in the country.
Jan 25, 2015 4:55pm
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Jan 25, 2015 7:17 PM
Spock;1699604 wrote:we have 3 QB's that would start on every team in the country.
You can't start three QB's, CC.
Jan 25, 2015 7:17pm
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Jan 26, 2015 11:47 AM
Heretic;1699297 wrote:I will say that, to me, it seemed at times like Miller was more of an "athlete" playing QB, while the other two generally seemed to be QBs that also happened to be good athletes. No real stat/fact basis offhand to back that up (I'll save any heavy lifting on that to others), but the eye test watching games on TV makes me think that.
I will give you that explanation.
We had a kid like that as our QB on our HS team the last couple of seasons. Tremendous athlete. Throwing the ball? OK? What he can do with his feet and just his athletic ability? One of our best ever.
Jan 26, 2015 11:47am
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Jan 27, 2015 1:35 PM
Spock;1699144 wrote:he isn't great at running this offense
That is a ridiculous. Look at the offenses numbers during the years Miller was the QB. OSU broke almost every offense record in school history with him under center. We are splitting hairs in determining who runs the offense better. But to say he wasn't great at running this offense is absurd statement. I chuckled at this comment. Come on people. That offense with Miller, carried this program for yrs until a defense finally showed and took some pressure off the offense.
Jan 27, 2015 1:35pm
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Jan 27, 2015 1:38 PM
lhslep134;1699178 wrote:It's very simple why the offense flowed more fluidly with Barrett and Jones than Miller: third down passing. The other two are a lot more accurate than Miller on third downs and that's why Miller stalled against MSU last year: couldn't sustain drives through conversions. Barrett and Jones seem to be just fine sustaining drives through the air, something they do better than Miller.

Thats IMO. I imagine the stats back me up against top defenses but I'm not doing that research right now.
One game is stalled. Happen to think that maybe, just maybe MSU had a hell of a defense? Oh wait, they did. OSU still put up 24pts and had the lead goign into the 4th qtr. Defense gave up 14 in last qtr. If you have a progam like OSU, scoring 24 should win you a game in a big game. But defensively, as we all know, OSU was just flat out bad for 2yrs.
Jan 27, 2015 1:38pm
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Jan 27, 2015 1:41 PM
centralbucksfan;1700351 wrote:One game is stalled. Happen to think that maybe, just maybe MSU had a hell of a defense? Oh wait, they did. OSU still put up 24pts and had the lead goign into the 4th qtr. Defense gave up 14 in last qtr. If you have a progam like OSU, scoring 24 should win you a game in a big game. But defensively, as we all know, OSU was just flat out bad for 2yrs.
For 3 seasons Miller sustained drives with his legs, not his arm. You can defend him all you want, but I want Barrett or Jones quarterbacking us.
Jan 27, 2015 1:41pm
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Jan 27, 2015 1:46 PM
lhslep134;1700353 wrote:For 3 seasons Miller sustained drives with his legs, not his arm. You and your Miller apologist self can defend him all you want, but I want Barrett or Jones quarterbacking us.
Who cares how he did it. He did it. I dont' need to be an apologist. Any idiot knows the kid was one of the best players in the country and bailed the team out for years. Its actually comical reading people ripping on him and questioning a record breaking offense.
And no, I am not saying he should start next year. I trust Meyer will make that decision. But to say Miller can't do this and that without ...its ridiciulous. Success and stats speak differently. This over a 3yr period. Not just 3 games.
Jan 27, 2015 1:46pm
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Jan 27, 2015 2:25 PM
centralbucksfan;1700354 wrote: This over a 3yr period. Not just 3 games.
This is over a one year period of Barrett/Jones making the offense look better than when Miller ran it. Why are you talking about 3 games? Because you're looking for a reason to defend Miller. What's comical is you contorting my argument.
Jan 27, 2015 2:25pm
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Jan 27, 2015 2:37 PM
lhslep134;1700372 wrote:This is over a one year period of Barrett/Jones making the offense look better than when Miller ran it. Why are you talking about 3 games? Because you're looking for a reason to defend Miller. What's comical is you contorting my argument.
Jones played 3 games. I am not defending anyone. As I said, I don't need to. Facts are in front of anyone who wants to look. And I am not saying Miller should start. Personally, I think it should be JT. But I am not counting out, if 100% healthy, that Miller could be the starter. I am just making the obvious statement, that Miller is pretty damn good. And the FACTS back that up. If you choose not to look at those facts, so be it. I could give a rats ass what you think.
Jan 27, 2015 2:37pm