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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Apr 29, 2015 1:52pm
I can see that being true....
As we said days ago.....
MISINFORMATION rules the daythe closer you get.
As we said days ago.....
MISINFORMATION rules the daythe closer you get.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 29, 2015 1:52pm
If you don't think Winston reads defenses well you don't have a clue. Take some time and research how Jimbo Fisher structured his offense. Winston had complete control over reading and adjusting to the defense both pre and post snap. As a coach you don't hand over the reins like that, and go 27-1 over 2 years doing so, with a QB who can't read defenses well.robj55;1725195 wrote:Sounds like a cop out to use his arm as an excuse. He doesn't read the defense well and makes poor decisions, that's a huge red flag. Some of the interceptions he threw were laughable. Couple that with the maturity issues and he has bust written all over him.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 29, 2015 1:54pm
I've heard everything from "Winston is the most NFL ready QB since Andrew Luck" to "Winston will be the next Jamarcus Russell." Time will tell.....
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Apr 29, 2015 1:56pm
There is a reason Winston is still going to be the first player taken even with all of his off field shit.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Apr 29, 2015 2:00pm
Ok.lhslep134;1725205 wrote:If you don't think Winston reads defenses well you don't have a clue. Take some time and research how Jimbo Fisher structured his offense. Winston had complete control over reading and adjusting to the defense both pre and post snap. As a coach you don't hand over the reins like that, and go 27-1 over 2 years doing so, with a QB who can't read defenses well.
Maybe he reads defenses just fine.
Then he just makes bad throws throwing 18 INTs last season.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 29, 2015 2:00pm
Because he is the most NFL ready QB since Luck and he could be the next Jamarcus if he doesn't lose his immaturity. His QB'ing ability is a separate analysis from his maturity level.BR1986FB;1725206 wrote:I've heard everything from "Winston is the most NFL ready QB since Andrew Luck" to "Winston will be the next Jamarcus Russell." Time will tell.....
I don't think any reputable source thinks Winston is going to fail because of what transpires on the field; that sort of take seems to be coming just from Rob and thavoice.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Apr 29, 2015 2:01pm
He also is being compared to Roethlisberger.
He is already halfway there for that comparison......
He is already halfway there for that comparison......
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 29, 2015 2:01pm
Agreed. I've heard him most compared to Roethlisberger. Not sure if that was because of his talent or because of the rape allegations.Rotinaj;1725207 wrote:There is a reason Winston is still going to be the first player taken even with all of his off field shit.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 29, 2015 2:03pm
Nah. 18 INTs bro. He's good for at least 36 INTs next year. College statzzzRotinaj;1725207 wrote:There is a reason Winston is still going to be the first player taken even with all of his off field shit.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Apr 29, 2015 2:03pm
He prefers it to be called "aggressive dating".BR1986FB;1725212 wrote:Agreed. I've heard him most compared to Roethlisberger. Not sure if that was because of his talent or because of the rape allegations.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Apr 29, 2015 2:04pm
Scouts miss badly all the time, every year.Rotinaj;1725207 wrote:There is a reason Winston is still going to be the first player taken even with all of his off field shit.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 29, 2015 2:04pm
Lures them in with the promise of a crab leg dinner?thavoice;1725215 wrote:He prefers it to be called "aggressive dating".
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 29, 2015 2:06pm
Winston sucks.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 29, 2015 2:07pm
Your point runs counter to every scout's report about Winston's on the field ability. You literally made up an argument that he can't read defenses well when there's plenty of evidence to the contrary.robj55;1725216 wrote:Scouts miss badly all the time, every year.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Apr 29, 2015 2:12pm
Not really. They do miss often enough. Also...enough guys who dont get drafted at all make it. That is a total miss by scoutslhslep134;1725221 wrote:Your point runs counter to every scout's report about Winston's on the field ability. You literally made up an argument that he can't read defenses well when there's plenty of evidence to the contrary.
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lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 29, 2015 2:19pm
That has nothing to do with my post. Scouts missing has nothing to do with my post. Rob making up that Winston doesn't read defenses well is the only reference I'm making in my post.thavoice;1725222 wrote:Not really. They do miss often enough.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Apr 29, 2015 2:22pm
I didn't make up anything, he had a ton of terrible reads/throws/interceptions and more that should have been intercepted that were dropped. If I'm a team drafting a QB that would scare me. I don't care if a guy can make all the throws, if you can't make the right reads and take care of the football I wouldn't take you, turnovers lose football games and get guys fired.lhslep134;1725223 wrote:That has nothing to do with my post. Scouts missing has nothing to do with my post. Rob making up that Winston doesn't read defenses well is the only reference I'm making in my post.
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Apr 29, 2015 2:25pm
Jay Cutler, anyone?robj55;1725224 wrote:I didn't make up anything, he had a ton of terrible reads/throws/interceptions and more that should have been intercepted that were dropped. If I'm a team drafting a QB that would scare me. I don't care if a guy can make all the throws, if you can't make the right reads and take care of the football I wouldn't take you, turnovers love football games and get guys fired.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Apr 29, 2015 2:27pm
Did you watch him last year, their title winning season? I'm gonna go with no.robj55;1725224 wrote:I didn't make up anything, he had a ton of terrible reads/throws/interceptions and more that should have been intercepted that were dropped. If I'm a team drafting a QB that would scare me. I don't care if a guy can make all the throws, if you can't make the right reads and take care of the football I wouldn't take you, turnovers lose football games and get guys fired.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 29, 2015 2:30pm
Rob just stop. The entirety of the Seminoles 27-1 run was premised offensively on Jameis' ability to read defenses pre and post snap. That's why he's considered a vastly more "pro-ready" prospect than Mariota.
The more you think you're right the worse you continue to look.
The more you think you're right the worse you continue to look.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Apr 29, 2015 2:33pm
That record means nothing, people keep pointing to the fact that he was a winner. For one they played a very weak schedule and struggled against bad teams, and two he was surrounding by an immense amount of talent, more than anyone else in the country. He's considered more pro ready because of the offense that Mariota played in, it's that simple.lhslep134;1725228 wrote:Rob just stop. The entirety of the Seminoles 27-1 run was premised offensively on Jameis' ability to read defenses. That's why he's considered a vastly more "pro-ready" prospect than Mariota.
The more you continue to think you're right the worse you're going to look.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 29, 2015 2:34pm
Couldn't disagree more with rob.
If there's one thing that isn't in question with Winston it's his ability to read a defense.
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Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Apr 29, 2015 2:36pm
It's a lost cause. The guy doesn't get it.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Apr 29, 2015 2:36pm
That's fine that you disagree but did you see the amount of bad throws that he made last year? That's a major reg flag. If you're great at reading a defense you don't make those throws, period. One or two I could see, he had that times ten.SportsAndLady;1725230 wrote:Couldn't disagree more with rob.
If there's one thing that isn't in question with Winston it's his ability to read a defense.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Apr 29, 2015 2:39pm
What do you make of 18 ints last season? Just curious.SportsAndLady;1725230 wrote:Couldn't disagree more with rob.
If there's one thing that isn't in question with Winston it's his ability to read a defense.
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