like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 29, 2015 12:42pm
Both. I would never give away multiple picks for an unproven player. It almost always ends in a disaster.thavoice;1725145 wrote:Do you feel it is dumb because they are trading the picks or because you dont think Mariota will be that good?
I think if you are confident that he can be a franchise QB then go for it. The good ones make your team a contender for 10+ years.
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BR1986FB
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Apr 29, 2015 12:42pm
I think it's dumb because Mariota needs a year to sit & learn and you know they will throw him into the fire ASAP having given up that much.thavoice;1725145 wrote:Do you feel it is dumb because they are trading the picks or because you dont think Mariota will be that good?
I think if you are confident that he can be a franchise QB then go for it. The good ones make your team a contender for 10+ years.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 29, 2015 12:43pm
This wasn't addressed to me but I'll answer it anyway. No, the answer is simply no, I do not in any way shape or form thinking Mariota will be worth a damn in the NFL. Trading the picks for him makes it even more ridiculous.thavoice;1725145 wrote:Do you feel it is dumb because they are trading the picks or because you dont think Mariota will be that good?
I think if you are confident that he can be a franchise QB then go for it. The good ones make your team a contender for 10+ years.
With that said, he is 100x better than Manziel.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Apr 29, 2015 12:44pm
Why not try and just flip the pick for something else? And not take MM.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 29, 2015 12:48pm
Would shock the shit out of everyone if they took the D-Lineman from USC, who is considered the best player in the draft, instead of Mariota.wildcats20;1725151 wrote:Why not try and just flip the pick for something else? And not take MM.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Apr 29, 2015 12:49pm
Solid point, but if they fully believe he is going to be a great pro QB.......then I think it is worth it. QB would be the only position I would risk it though.like_that;1725148 wrote:Both. I would never give away multiple picks for an unproven player. It almost always ends in a disaster.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 29, 2015 12:57pm
I only make that trade for a prospect like Luck.thavoice;1725154 wrote:Solid point, but if they fully believe he is going to be a great pro QB.......then I think it is worth it. QB would be the only position I would risk it though.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 29, 2015 12:58pm
I thought you had tunnel vision for a QB?BR1986FB;1725149 wrote:I think it's dumb because Mariota needs a year to sit & learn and you know they will throw him into the fire ASAP having given up that much.
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thavoice
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Apr 29, 2015 12:59pm
Yeah. True.like_that;1725164 wrote:I only make that trade for a prospect like Luck.
Luck was as much of a sure thing as you can get.
If you do it for a guy like Luck and he endes up sucking, well, then that is the way it goes and I dont think ya get beat up much because it wasnt a stretch.
Mariota...yeah, not nearly a sure thing.
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Con_Alma
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Apr 29, 2015 12:59pm
If this is really what they want to do, you don't finalize or sign the deal until after Tampa Bay makes their pick.
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thavoice
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Apr 29, 2015 1:01pm
Unless you are sold on taking MM or Winston..whomever is left.Con_Alma;1725168 wrote:If this is really what they want to do, you don't finalize or sign the deal until after Tampa Bay makes their pick.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 29, 2015 1:01pm
Fuck it, just do it. We need a qb and I'm tired of taking the "next best" bunch of the QB class.
If he sucks he sucks. We can take another QB when we have a high draft pick (if Mariota sucks, we'll have another top 10 pick)
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If he sucks he sucks. We can take another QB when we have a high draft pick (if Mariota sucks, we'll have another top 10 pick)
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Apr 29, 2015 1:03pm
It would be unusual for a team to be just as satisfied with either of two players that were worth two first round draft picks...but I guess it's possible.thavoice;1725170 wrote:Unless you are sold on taking MM or Winston..whomever is left.
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thavoice
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Apr 29, 2015 1:04pm
I would be inclined to agree. With the new rookie wage scale it wont fuck you as bad as it used to. Ya need a QB in a bad, bad, bad way. A great QB can overcome other deficiencies.SportsAndLady;1725171 wrote:Fuck it, just do it. We need a qb and I'm tired of taking the "next best" bunch of the QB class.
If he sucks he sucks. We can take another QB when we have a high draft pick (if Mariota sucks, we'll have another top 10 pick)
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4cards
Posts: 2,551
Apr 29, 2015 1:07pm
...being a Raider fan I hope the Browns move up to get MM and take him so that Williams from USC isn't there for them to draft and then the Raiders wind up with....IMO...the best defensive player in the draft
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Apr 29, 2015 1:08pm
If they do it, I'm fine with them taking MM or the dude from USC. I'm fine with whatever Farmer does, unlike last year where I think Pettine picked Gilbert and Haslem picked Manziel...this is all Farmer IMO. Get your guy or guys Farmer.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Apr 29, 2015 1:09pm
Pretty much my sentiments.SportsAndLady;1725171 wrote:Fuck it, just do it. We need a qb and I'm tired of taking the "next best" bunch of the QB class.
If he sucks he sucks. We can take another QB when we have a high draft pick (if Mariota sucks, we'll have another top 10 pick)
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I don't really think MM will be a world beater and think Winston will be very good. But, just make the deal and get your QB, if they think he is the guy.
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Apr 29, 2015 1:12pm
Farmer has been studying MM for two years, if he sees something he loves, fucking do it.
robj55
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Apr 29, 2015 1:16pm
Why are people so high on Winston? He makes terrible decisions with the football.Laley23;1725177 wrote:Pretty much my sentiments.
I don't really think MM will be a world beater and think Winston will be very good. But, just make the deal and get your QB, if they think he is the guy.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Apr 29, 2015 1:19pm
My thoughts as well. Always felt he threw way, way too many INTs.robj55;1725182 wrote:Why are people so high on Winston? He makes terrible decisions with the football.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 29, 2015 1:32pm
Andrew Luck throws a ton of INTs too. Winston's got the kind of major arm talent that leads a QB to make some questionable throws. Sometimes it's a gem and other times it's a pick.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Apr 29, 2015 1:35pm
Sounds like a cop out to use his arm as an excuse. He doesn't read the defense well and makes poor decisions, that's a huge red flag. Some of the interceptions he threw were laughable. Couple that with the maturity issues and he has bust written all over him.lhslep134;1725191 wrote:Andrew Luck throws a ton of INTs too. Winston's got the kind of major arm talent that leads a QB to make some questionable throws. Sometimes it's a gem and other times it's a pick.
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thavoice
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Apr 29, 2015 1:37pm
82 TD and 22 INT. His last two seasons was 69/18lhslep134;1725191 wrote:Andrew Luck throws a ton of INTs too. Winston's got the kind of major arm talent that leads a QB to make some questionable throws. Sometimes it's a gem and other times it's a pick.
Winston was 65/28.
So if you take their last 2 years in college AL threw 4 more TD with 10 less INT's....
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 29, 2015 1:39pm
I do, but not for Mariota. Besides, I'm hearing if this happens it's just a "chip' to flip him to Philly for Bradford and their 1st since Chipper doesn't have the ammo to get to #2.like_that;1725165 wrote:I thought you had tunnel vision for a QB?
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BR1986FB
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Apr 29, 2015 1:45pm
And there's this...
RT@TheRealLA__: I maintain the Browns have not offered those specifics to Tennessee at this time
RT @TheRealLA__: Tennessee working it for all its worth to generate the interest, raise/maintain the cost factor for the 2nd pick
RT @PaulKuharskyNFL: #Titans source: #Browns have not made an offer for No. 2.
RT@TheRealLA__: I maintain the Browns have not offered those specifics to Tennessee at this time
RT @TheRealLA__: Tennessee working it for all its worth to generate the interest, raise/maintain the cost factor for the 2nd pick
RT @PaulKuharskyNFL: #Titans source: #Browns have not made an offer for No. 2.