Archive 2015 Browns Offseason Thread

se-alum

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Dec 28, 2014 6:06pm

HighRoller74;1690033 wrote:So you'd rather have Hoyer, and Manziel, instead of Carr?

Hoyer: 55.3 % 3326 yards 12 TDs, 13 INT 43 QBR
Carr: 58.6 % 3112 yards, 20 TDs, 11 INT 40 QBR

I'm not saying he's the best QB of all time (I'm not FW or IQQY), but you've gotta give credit where its due Carr has been the best Rookie QB this season, and it's not really close.

Regardless if he checks down, he's moving the sticks, something we didn't do this year, at all. Our WR's are comparable, but the Browns have the edge on TE, RB, and its not even close on the OL.

I'll take Bridgewater as the best rookie QB.

Dr. KnOiTaLL

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Dec 28, 2014 6:06pm

Sonofanump;1690030 wrote:Exactly how do you know that Whitner did not attempt to deal with it in the locker room?

Con_Alma;1690031 wrote:He didn't say that they didn't try to in the locker room...they still are doing it through the media, however. ...maybe in addition to an effort in the locker room or maybe only in the media.

This. What is done behind closed doors is an unknown to us. I would EXPECT a player of Whitner's caliber and pedigree to handle issues in the locker room. I was simply saying that they are also doing it in the media, which I do not necessarily agree with.

Lovejoy1984

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Dec 28, 2014 6:08pm

SportsAndLady;1690034 wrote:I'll take bridgewater over any of the rookies.

Projected over the course of the season, you might be right. He's had more turnovers, but the Completion percentage is a good 6% higher.

Lovejoy1984

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Dec 28, 2014 6:09pm

se-alum;1690037 wrote:I'll take Bridgewater as the best rookie QB.

See post above. I could be talked into Bridgewater as the best this year, and going forward.

But these two appear to be the best of the class.

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vball10set

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Dec 28, 2014 6:11pm

salto;1689945 wrote:S&L is an idiot sometimes. Probably best to just ignore him.

lol

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vball10set

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Dec 28, 2014 6:16pm

se-alum;1690037 wrote:I'll take Bridgewater as the best rookie QB.

It appears so.

Dr. KnOiTaLL

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Dec 28, 2014 6:16pm

So what position do we end up in the draft?

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vball10set

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Dec 28, 2014 6:18pm

Sonofanump;1690030 wrote:Exactly how do you know that Whitner did not attempt to deal with it in the locker room?

Con_Alma;1690031 wrote:He didn't say that they didn't try to in the locker room...they still are doing it through the media, however. ...maybe in addition to an effort in the locker room or maybe only in the media.

LOL-sometimes our resident zebra needs things spelled out for him-LOL

Ironman92

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Dec 28, 2014 6:22pm

Lol lol lol lol

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vball10set

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Dec 28, 2014 6:31pm

Ironman92;1690049 wrote:Lol lol lol lol

reps for a quad lol

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Sonofanump

Dec 28, 2014 6:34pm

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1690046 wrote:So what position do we end up in the draft?

16 & 20?

Dr. KnOiTaLL

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Dec 28, 2014 6:45pm

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/28/haslam-says-browns-wont-tolerate-irresponsible-players/?utm_network=facebook&utm_post=3293678&utm_source=FB%20-%20SNF%20on%20NBC&utm_tags=

like_that

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Dec 28, 2014 6:56pm

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1690061 wrote:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/28/haslam-says-browns-wont-tolerate-irresponsible-players/?utm_network=facebook&utm_post=3293678&utm_source=FB%20-%20SNF%20on%20NBC&utm_tags=

Did I really just read this:

As to Manziel, it remains to be seen whether he has gotten the message. During Sunday’s loss, he was on Twitter, clicking “favorite” on a tweet from TMZ regarding Chris Rock’s looming divorce from his wife.

SMFH at Florio.

Dr. KnOiTaLL

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Dec 28, 2014 6:59pm

like_that;1690063 wrote:Did I really just read this:

As to Manziel, it remains to be seen whether he has gotten the message. During Sunday’s loss, he was on Twitter, clicking “favorite” on a tweet from TMZ regarding Chris Rock’s looming divorce from his wife.

SMFH at Florio.

Lol fo reelz

like_that

Posts: 26,625

Dec 28, 2014 7:04pm

Also, can we please get a name change to the thread "Browns Offseason 2015?" Preferably by somebody who isn't trying to gain any karma out of it (heretic).

Lovejoy1984

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Dec 28, 2014 7:05pm

like_that;1690063 wrote:Did I really just read this:

As to Manziel, it remains to be seen whether he has gotten the message. During Sunday’s loss, he was on Twitter, clicking “favorite” on a tweet from TMZ regarding Chris Rock’s looming divorce from his wife.

SMFH at Florio.

I fail to see this as something that even needs to be reported on.

Who's to say he's not laying on the training table, watching the game on the TV, all while on his phone. I mean thats a pretty pointless article.

se-alum

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Dec 28, 2014 7:50pm

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1690046 wrote:So what position do we end up in the draft?

12 & 19

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vball10set

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Dec 28, 2014 7:55pm

lol, Drennan going crazy tonight

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BR1986FB

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Dec 28, 2014 10:23pm

vball10set;1689975 wrote:The season is mercifully over, but we did get a glimpse of what could be--hopefully we can get it figured out.

Wouldn't get too excited. I think they are going to take a step back, win-wise, next year. Just pissing in the wind until they get the QB situation fixed. And I don't see anything in the coming draft to get excited about.

I've been of the belief that this team has had the talent to be right in the mix with good QB play. Manziel looks like a hot mess and I don't see Hoyer returning.

And as far as Manziel's little "party?" He and Gordon can go fuck themselves. Look like they are doing everything in their power to get themselves out of Cleveland.

Commander of Awesome

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Dec 28, 2014 11:12pm

BR1986FB;1690182 wrote:Wouldn't get too excited. I think they are going to take a step back, win-wise, next year. Just pissing in the wind until they get the QB situation fixed. And I don't see anything in the coming draft to get excited about.

I've been of the belief that this team has had the talent to be right in the mix with good QB play. Manziel looks like a hot mess and I don't see Hoyer returning.

And as far as Manziel's little "party?" He and Gordon can go fuck themselves. Look like they are doing everything in their power to get themselves out of Cleveland.

Shaw sure as shit aint the savior. He's a powder paw, but I'd love to have him as a backup. We need to shore up the lines, PERIOD. More important than a QB.

se-alum

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Dec 29, 2014 12:52am

Commander of Awesome;1690212 wrote:Shaw sure as shit aint the savior. He's a powder paw, but I'd love to have him as a backup. We need to shore up the lines, PERIOD. More important than a QB.

Yea, Shaw's arm makes Colt McCoy look like Jeff George. I think he can be a very serviceable backup though.

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BR1986FB

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Dec 29, 2014 6:07am

Commander of Awesome;1690212 wrote:Shaw sure as shit aint the savior. He's a powder paw, but I'd love to have him as a backup. We need to shore up the lines, PERIOD. More important than a QB.

I agree that it all starts up front and I have no issue with Shaw, but even if they fix the lines, they aren't going anywhere without an adequate QB. They proved this year that they can win with decent QB play. Unfortunately, they aren't going to have the benefit of this cake ass schedule next year.

SportsAndLady

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Dec 29, 2014 8:14am

BR1986FB;1690283 wrote:Unfortunately, they aren't going to have the benefit of this cake ass schedule next year.

Do we even know our schedule next year? We are finishing last in the division again so we are going to be playing other last place finishers.

I'm sure the schedule will be an easy one next year.

Terry_Tate

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Dec 29, 2014 8:19am

SportsAndLady;1690295 wrote:Do we even know our schedule next year? We are finishing last in the division again so we are going to be playing other last place finishers.

I'm sure the schedule will be an easy one next year.

AFC North is playing the AFC West and NFC West, so the Browns will play those teams plus Jacksonville and the Jets. Games against Denver, San Diego, Kansas City, Seattle, San Fran, and Arizona will be a bitch. Might be back to just one AFCN in the playoffs next year.

SportsAndLady

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Dec 29, 2014 8:28am

Terry_Tate;1690296 wrote:AFC North is playing the AFC West and NFC West, so the Browns will play those teams plus Jacksonville and the Jets. Games against Denver, San Diego, Kansas City, Seattle, San Fran, and Arizona will be a bitch. Might be back to just one AFCN in the playoffs next year.

Ahh thanks. I didn't know the AFC west and NFC north info was released yet

Definitely a bitch to play both west coast conferences for travel alone. Let alone those are two of the best conferences. Yikes.

Although the NFL changes so much, who knows if teams like San diego Kansas City and Arizona will be any good next year.