Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jan 4, 2015 12:20pm
"I'd also draft the best quarterback the Browns can get. I'd make a pitch for Heisman Trophy winner Marcus Mariota, although it'll take a king's ransom to get him -- the No. 12, the No. 19, and next year's first-rounder."
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/01/what_should_the_cleveland_brow_1.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
lolk Mary Kay. Good to know that you know what it would take to trade up with TB. WHY in the fuck would TB do that deal? They need a QB. SMH at cleveland media.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/01/what_should_the_cleveland_brow_1.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
lolk Mary Kay. Good to know that you know what it would take to trade up with TB. WHY in the fuck would TB do that deal? They need a QB. SMH at cleveland media.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 4, 2015 12:33pm
Im not sold on Mariota anyway. Oregon plays so damn fast that I am not sure he ever has to go through a progression. Not only that, but how often does he even read a defense? Its all about getting to the line and snapping it, half the time before the defense is set. There is no way anyone will convince me he reads a defense in college to the extent he will need to in the NFL.
Not saying he cant learn to do all this and be great, but I wouldnt draft him based off of ANYTHING in college.
EDIT: On that front, Jameis is much more prepared and can make more NFL throws. Id take him in a heartbeat, if he wasnt a dumbass.
Not saying he cant learn to do all this and be great, but I wouldnt draft him based off of ANYTHING in college.
EDIT: On that front, Jameis is much more prepared and can make more NFL throws. Id take him in a heartbeat, if he wasnt a dumbass.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jan 4, 2015 1:25pm
Jameis' actual quarterbacking ability is pretty damn spectacular. I think he'll go #1 to TB.Laley23;1692653 wrote:
EDIT: On that front, Jameis is much more prepared and can make more NFL throws. Id take him in a heartbeat, if he wasnt a dumbass.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 4, 2015 2:08pm
Agreed. Watched him about 5 full games this year. His pre-snap reads are about as good as you will see at the college level. And he can make all the throws and go through progressions.lhslep134;1692671 wrote:Jameis' actual quarterbacking ability is pretty damn spectacular. I think he'll go #1 to TB.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jan 4, 2015 2:11pm
The maturity issues scare the hell out of me with Winston. I don't see him falling past #6 though.
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se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Jan 4, 2015 3:02pm
If I were an NFL team, I wouldn't worry at all about Winston's maturity issues. Everything about him regarding football has been super positive. Cam Newton had maturity issues, and he's not been in a hint of trouble while in the NFL.HighRoller74;1692684 wrote:The maturity issues scare the hell out of me with Winston. I don't see him falling past #6 though.
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Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jan 4, 2015 3:03pm
But then at the same time you've got Manziel who's name is staying in the headlines for the wrong reasons lol
Just playing devils advocate.
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se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Jan 4, 2015 3:13pm
None of that Manziel stuff would matter if he showed results on the field though, it's not like he's out there doing illegal things. Winston may do some stupid things, but I think he gives 100% to football. You just don't get as good as he is at reads and controlling an offense without being dedicated to it, and by all accounts, he has been. Manziel has an entitlement personality, and cares more about the brand of Johnny Manziel than he does Johnny Manziel the football player.HighRoller74;1692697 wrote:But then at the same time you've got Manziel who's name is staying in the headlines for the wrong reasons lol
Just playing devils advocate.
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like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jan 4, 2015 3:23pm
The media sure tries their hardest to make him out to be a child bitch though.se-alum;1692696 wrote:If I were an NFL team, I wouldn't worry at all about Winston's maturity issues. Everything about him regarding football has been super positive. Cam Newton had maturity issues, and he's not been in a hint of trouble while in the NFL.
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Jan 4, 2015 4:18pm
I don't know though, sure Cam came off as a bit immature, but Winston comes off as functionally retarded when doing anything that is not football. He's way worse than Cam was regarding worries outside of football.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Jan 4, 2015 5:20pm
I'd love to get Winston. I think he will be pretty damn good. If he comes out.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jan 4, 2015 5:32pm
Yeah, Winston may come off as a dumbass but he's probably the most NFL 'ready" of this group. He seems to be able to go through his reads/progressions.lhslep134;1692671 wrote:Jameis' actual quarterbacking ability is pretty damn spectacular. I think he'll go #1 to TB.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Jan 4, 2015 5:40pm
Cam stole laptops, Jameis stole crab legs, which is worse?ts1227;1692733 wrote:I don't know though, sure Cam came off as a bit immature, but Winston comes off as functionally retarded when doing anything that is not football. He's way worse than Cam was regarding worries outside of football.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Jan 4, 2015 5:42pm
You forgot the part where Jameis raped a girl and then add the whole "fuck her right in the *****" thing on top of that. Almost comical some of you bitch at Manziel for everything he does, but Jameis is alright. We can just come out and say it- on the field performance is all we really care about.se-alum;1692752 wrote:Cam stole laptops, Jameis stole crab legs, which is worse?
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 4, 2015 5:52pm
Way to pick 1 of his transgressions...the worst of them.se-alum;1692752 wrote:Cam stole laptops, Jameis stole crab legs, which is worse?
And while I think he is innocent of the rape...the allegation is obviously still a redflag.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Jan 4, 2015 6:00pm
Those are the worst proven transgressions for both.Laley23;1692755 wrote:Way to pick 1 of his transgressions...the worst of them.
And while I think he is innocent of the rape...the allegation is obviously still a redflag.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Jan 4, 2015 6:03pm
So you can prove he raped a girl? If Winston's maturity issues continue as a pro like Manziel's have, he will get the same treatment from fans of whatever team he is screwing over.Pick6;1692753 wrote:You forgot the part where Jameis raped a girl and then add the whole "fuck her right in the *****" thing on top of that. Almost comical some of you bitch at Manziel for everything he does, but Jameis is alright. We can just come out and say it- on the field performance is all we really care about.
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Jan 4, 2015 7:37pm
I feel like Winston is too stupid to ever really learn from it, unlike Cam.se-alum;1692752 wrote:Cam stole laptops, Jameis stole crab legs, which is worse?
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jan 4, 2015 8:00pm
Personally, I don't want Winston but I do think he's the most ready of the group.Pick6;1692753 wrote:You forgot the part where Jameis raped a girl and then add the whole "fuck her right in the *****" thing on top of that. Almost comical some of you bitch at Manziel for everything he does, but Jameis is alright. We can just come out and say it- on the field performance is all we really care about.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 4, 2015 8:17pm
I worry about Winston aging quickly.....I don't think he'll last too many years.
I do agree he is the most ready now.
I do agree he is the most ready now.
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Jan 4, 2015 8:22pm
Aside from trading some picks, do the Browns have a shot at even getting either guy?
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 4, 2015 8:32pm
Guess it depends on where you think each QB will be drafted. If you think either will slip, Browns could grab one. If not, Browns have pick 12 so it depends if they land there.friendfromlowry;1692805 wrote:Aside from trading some picks, do the Browns have a shot at even getting either guy?
I think we could definitely see a trade though
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jan 4, 2015 8:33pm
None. And I would gladly take either one over what we have in Cleveland currently.friendfromlowry;1692805 wrote:Aside from trading some picks, do the Browns have a shot at even getting either guy?
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jan 4, 2015 10:31pm
Agreed. If either are there at 12, i'm ok with it. With the rookie wage scale, first round QB busts don't cripple a team like they use to.Commander of Awesome;1692809 wrote:None. And I would gladly take either one over what we have in Cleveland currently.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 4, 2015 10:40pm
Financially, no. And I am of the notion you draft till you get the guy. But, I definitely think they can cripple you in many ways beyond money.HighRoller74;1692838 wrote:Agreed. If either are there at 12, i'm ok with it. With the rookie wage scale, first round QB busts don't cripple a team like they use to.