Archive 2015 Browns Offseason Thread

ZWICK 4 PREZ

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Aug 6, 2015 9:31am

SportsAndLady;1744563 wrote:I want to see how Mccown looks in some preseason action before I'm officially calling for manziel. But I do hope JFF can turn it around so I'm hoping its him.

Yeah I'm only saying Johnny b/c if it's him he's probably really improved himself and is better than Mccown. It's more of a hope than anything.

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BR1986FB

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Aug 6, 2015 9:33am

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1744564 wrote:Yeah I'm only saying Johnny b/c if it's him he's probably really improved himself and is better than Mccown. It's more of a hope than anything.

Manziel, either way. We know what McCown is. He's not winning you a ring, or likely getting you to the playoffs. JFF is an unknown. He could turn out to be a stud or he could look like total crap. Either way it's a "win win" for securing your future QB.

lhslep134

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Aug 6, 2015 9:34am

BR1986FB;1744557 wrote:Mingo DOES suck. Top 10 pick who is going to get beat out by an undrafted player at the position but it's "ok" as long as he's a "contributor." We don't need no stinkin' impact players with our top 10 picks, just contributors!

Our most productive pass rusher on a per-snap basis last year "sucks?"

You're so delusional BR. Just shut the fuck up. You're IQQY re-incarnated. Feel free to go cry on IQQY's tear-filled thread. Your delusional crying is unwanted on this thread.

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BR1986FB

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Aug 6, 2015 9:38am

lhslep134;1744566 wrote:Our most productive pass rusher on a per-snap basis last year "sucks?"

You're so delusional BR. Just shut the fuck up. You're IQQY re-incarnated. Feel free to go cry on IQQY's tear-filled thread. Your delusion is unwanted on this thread.

Waaaaah....fuck you and you stupid "metrics." Mingo doesn't pass the eye test. He's an oft-injured, light in the pants DE convert who was a huge reach by the previous GM. One person's opinion differs from the sheep and they're "delusional." Got it.

lhslep134

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Aug 6, 2015 9:48am

BR1986FB;1744567 wrote:One person's opinion differs from the sheep and they're "delusional."

Another delusional misclassification of what you did. Your opinion is a complete divergence from facts (the numbers posted), not from our "opinion". I didn't post PFF's subjective grades, I posted a statistical measure: quarterback hurries per snap.

But please, continue to believe that your opinion, which has been proven wrong by support from facts, isn't delusional.

:RpS_lol:

lhslep134

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Aug 6, 2015 9:51am

For BR's reference:

Here is a list of appropriate ways to describe Mingo:

-injured-riddled
-disappointing
-hasn't lived up to his draft slot*

Here is a list of inappropriate ways to describe Mingo:

-He sucks
-He's a huge bust*

*NOT the same

Commander of Awesome

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Aug 6, 2015 9:58am

Per our DC:

Though O'Neil conceded that Mingo is, "by far our best outside linebacker in coverage"

That has value in today's pass happy NFL. He by no means "sucks".

Now lets move the fuck on. I'm tired of reading stubborn posters rehash the same shit. Facts are facts, still don't like the guy? Fine, DGAF.

One unit in TC I haven't heard much about is TE. Any word on how Rob Housler is looking in camp?

sleeper

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Aug 6, 2015 10:01am

I'm happy with Mingo but can't fully disagree with BR. For where he was picked he is a little underwhelming.

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BR1986FB

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Aug 6, 2015 10:04am

Commander of Awesome;1744571 wrote: One unit in TC I haven't heard much about is TE. Any word on how Rob Housler is looking in camp?

TE is about the only position we haven't really heard about.

shook_17

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Aug 6, 2015 10:32am

SportsAndLady;1744503 wrote:Honestly wasn't trying to give you shit. The second you realized weeden was hot garbage, you gave up on him. BR was too stubborn to admit he sucks until he was basically gone.

Oh ok. Yeah I was big on him until he was a hot mess. I'm not perfect

lhslep134

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Aug 6, 2015 11:06am

shook_17;1744589 wrote:Oh ok. Yeah I was big on him until he was a hot mess. I'm not perfect

It's cool, none of us are.

DeyDurkie5

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Aug 6, 2015 11:21am

Playoffs lock it in

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BR1986FB

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Aug 6, 2015 11:33am

Potential veteran camp cuts from around the league. Number 4 would kind of surprise, but not shock, me....

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2540947-high-profile-veterans-who-could-be-cut-in-training-camp?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=cleveland-browns

DeyDurkie5

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Aug 6, 2015 11:35am

Mingo tore his meniscus. Out 2-4 weeks.

iclfan2

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Aug 6, 2015 11:55am

Commander of Awesome;1744571 wrote:Though O'Neil conceded that Mingo is, "by far our best outside linebacker in coverage"

That has value in today's pass happy NFL. He by no means "sucks"..

One unit in TC I haven't heard much about is TE. Any word on how Rob Housler is looking in camp?

It has value, but not worth a top 10 pick. Mingo did look better at the end of last year, but he is a huge disappointment from where he was drafted, and to be a "rushing specialist".

People on twitter have been talking about Bibb at TE. Haven't really heard much of Housler, or the other two.

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BR1986FB

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Aug 6, 2015 12:22pm

Sounds like Desir & Bitonio both got a little dinged up at this mornings practice. Manziel will be running with the 1's tomorrow night at the Horseshoe. Don't think McCown will participate.

EDIT: more detailed info on Thursday's injuries. Bitonio wasn't mentioned in there but Baskin & Phelps from 92.3 were at training camp and said they were scheduled to interview him but he went into the locker room for "treatment." Likely something minor.

http://cle.247sports.com/Bolt/Thursday-injury-report-from-Browns-training-camp-38592420

MontyBrunswick

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Aug 6, 2015 2:38pm

Mccown has shown flashes of greatness and I think he could be a top-10 QB if he get things going

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BR1986FB

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Aug 6, 2015 2:42pm

MontyBrunswick;1744653 wrote:Mccown has shown flashes of greatness and I think he could be a top-10 QB if he get things going

Dwayne Bowe, is that you?

MontyBrunswick

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Aug 6, 2015 3:00pm

BR1986FB;1744658 wrote:Dwayne Bowe, is that you?

Mccown is good. Mark my words. He'll lead them to a playoff berth this year

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BR1986FB

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Aug 6, 2015 3:08pm

Was there ever a QB Gruden DIDN'T like?

http://cle.247sports.com/Bolt/Gruden-I-have-a-lot-of-confidence-in-Manziel-38590905

lhslep134

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Aug 6, 2015 3:54pm

MontyBrunswick;1744666 wrote:Mccown is good.

No, he's not. He might be good in your opinion, but there is no factual or film evidence that he is capable of sustaining a full season of good football.

like_that

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Aug 6, 2015 4:37pm

MontyBrunswick;1744653 wrote:Mccown has shown flashes of greatness and I think he could be a top-10 QB if he get things going

I think we found thavoice.

lhslep134

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Aug 6, 2015 5:37pm

like_that;1744707 wrote:I think we found thavoice.

Reps. Between this and the "replaceable thinkers" thread, it's definitely thavoice

shook_17

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Aug 6, 2015 5:44pm

Beg to differ with that article. I think Manziel plays a lot this year. Either injury or McCown sucking ass.

SportsAndLady

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Aug 6, 2015 5:47pm

LOL yes! That is a great call like that. How did I not guess that?