gut wrote:

Glory Days wrote:
No i wasnt, it was conditioned. So my preference to green over blue objects is something i am born with also, because i dont know exactly when i decided i liked green over blue?

maybe we should change this to "are you born with the instinct to reproduce or do you choose to reproduce".

Conditioned??? How exactly does one become conditioned to like blue over green? Did your parents sit you down and flash colors with accompanying sensations of electric shock and bad smells?

Also, no, we are not born with the instinct to reproduce. We are born with the instinct to copulate. This is why you see acts of homosexuality and bisexuality in the animal kingdom, unless you want to try to argue that benobo chimps are making such conscious choices.

hang_loose wrote: GeneralsIcer89, Just because your sister's friend is a big gay biker does not make him tough. Will he walk in a biker bar acting girly? I'm not trying to pick on him but I've never seen a biker come into a bar acting like he is gay... Or is he hiding it?

Con_Alma wrote: ...no Biblical quotes or references at all by me thus far. I too welcome scientific articles. The difference I think is that I seek those that don't necessarily argue a certain side as much as ones that approaches the topic from a more unbiased or neutral beginning.

Glory Days wrote: let me guess, were you born a buckeyes fan too? we learn behaviors at a young age. small babies and children have attractions to both their fathers and mothers at different times as their mature. its pretty possible that those who are gay maybe dont lose that attraction to their same sex parent and it continues as they grow up.

Go_Fast_Sports wrote: I'd say it's a 50/50 answer.

Some are "born that way" due to being "victims of their environment", or with weaker minds that don't comprehend the Adam and Eve of human nature. Some fear what they do not know about the opposite sex, thus take cover in their own sex.

Others are "choice", and preference of sexual exploratory adventures plays a big part. Again, the weakened state of mind plays a part, and most live in denial that they ever went that far.

I've had gay men tell me they went gay because no girl liked them, or that they once did have a woman in their life, she cheated on them so they went gay. Not that gay men will ever cheat.... lol.

Gay women on the other hand are 85 times more likely to be "bi-sexual". Obviously women are comfortable enough with themselves to naturally share more than guys do in the "un-gay" sense. I have heard of gay women cheating on their partner as well. I've also had gay women tell me they went lesbian because a man cheated on them or left them. One once told me she went lesbian because God took her husband in a car accident, and she believed that is the path he chose for her. Again, a weak mind comes into play.

So yea, being born with a weak mind plays a big part, but choosing to become gay with that weak mind plays a bigger part.

I went with choice. God knows that my life has been very messed up at times, but hell no... I'd NEVER go for a man.

cats gone wild wrote: A few things I wonder about is, why do gay guys act more girlie then a girl, and why do they talk with their hands and use their s's in a hiss?

And women gay couples, why does one have short hair or look manly? If they are both gay, then why does a woman want a woman that looks like a guy?:

iluvz wrote: Saying some one chooses to be gay is absolutely ridiculous. That's like saying people chose to be mentally retarded, or chose to have other disabilities or diseases. Did God intend perfection for people? Absolutely. But then came sin, and error. And along with it disease and sickness and dysfunction. Just because homosexuality is the one (for lack of better word) dysfunction that humans can hide, doesn't mean it is any different or worse than any other one, or that it is a choice. Frankly who cares if its a choice. Be a decent human being. Don't worry or judge other peoples lifestyle. And treat people with respect. It doesn't matter why anyone is the way they are. Worry about yourself.

SQ_Crazies wrote: And for some of you fucktards--homosexuality has absolutely nothing to do with religion. That's fucking stupid. God didn't create you, he didn't create me, he didn't create a queer. I've got more bad news for you--Santa Claus isn't real.

BRF wrote: Wow! What a thread. Actually, I think that cats gone wild has a good point and it is NOT a "stupid" post. But it always helps to throw in "nazi" for that kind of thinking.

I really hate that.... Being called a nazi for expressing a conservative view. Do you know what? The liberals are actually the "Nazis"!

dtdtim wrote: Also, the last part of your post made no sense. The post that I said sounded like the Nazi point-of-view was neither a conservative viewpoint nor a liberal one. It was a stupid one, and it wasn't even cats' post. But yes, that one was stupid as well and an obvious generalization of a group of people that anyone with any common sense would know is not true.

SQ_Crazies wrote: Without a doubt it's a choice.

There are a few guys I've known since I was 4 or 5 years old who are gay and from what I've learned it's a choice for sure. They weren't born that way. Saying they were born that way is just what they came up with to try to make it seem more acceptable and judging from the poll a lot of people are gullible. I don't have a problem with a gay people, they are what they are--but shit like this pisses me off. They shouldn't have to come up with reasons to be more socially acceptable (like saying they were born that way) to be able to fit in. Who gives a shit what they're doing on their own time and for all the guys who make fun of gay dudes--you're a douche bag. All that means is there is more pussy out there for you and take full advantage of having your gay friend hook you up with some every once in awhile.

SQ_Crazies wrote: And for some of you fucktards--homosexuality has absolutely nothing to do with religion. That's fucking stupid. God didn't create you, he didn't create me, he didn't create a queer. I've got more bad news for you--Santa Claus isn't real.

pnhasbeen wrote:

SQ_Crazies wrote: Without a doubt it's a choice.

There are a few guys I've known since I was 4 or 5 years old who are gay and from what I've learned it's a choice for sure. They weren't born that way. Saying they were born that way is just what they came up with to try to make it seem more acceptable and judging from the poll a lot of people are gullible. I don't have a problem with a gay people, they are what they are--but shit like this pisses me off. They shouldn't have to come up with reasons to be more socially acceptable (like saying they were born that way) to be able to fit in. Who gives a shit what they're doing on their own time and for all the guys who make fun of gay dudes--you're a douche bag. All that means is there is more pussy out there for you and take full advantage of having your gay friend hook you up with some every once in awhile.

So tell me...at what age did you decide that your attraction to dick wasn't as great as your attraction to vagina?

dtdtim wrote:
Sorry, but this is literally one of the stupidest things I have ever read.

To say that gay people are that way because they are born with a 'weak mind' not only is asinine and incredibly stupid, but very Aryan Nazi sounding. Would you like to begin euthanasia on them and burning down their businesses or would you like someone else to?