Commander of Awesome;1693852 wrote:W/Out a center our chances of winning even a round in the playoffs is about 0. With a center our chances of winning an NBA Championship are legit. 2 1sts is nothing. Esp considering we've been going after Mozgov for some time.

sleeper;1693853 wrote:Yeah but does anyone really think we are winning the championship this year? Mozgov doesn't put us over the top.

lhslep134;1693859 wrote:This is the most rational way to view what just transpired:

We traded Dion and the Memphis pick (for Jon Leuer!!), which we weren't going to see until the 2017 draft and a pick likely to be in the mid 20s unless Gasol leaves, for Shumpert, JR Smith, and Mozgov.

I'm OK with that being we needed to do that to even have a chance this year.

Our crucial FO mistake was extending Andy before he played a healthy season. Poor foresight.

Commander of Awesome;1693856 wrote:Bottom line: Cavs have no cap space, can't sign a FA this offseason. Memphis pick in all likelihood wont come to fruition this season and it was top and bottom protected, and Memphis will be a top team. Meaning we could head into the offseason getting bounced in the first round with the most talented Cavs team I have ever seen, and NOTHING to show for it. Not even cap space. LBJ could conceivably leave this offseason to join his penis rubbing buddy, Dwade and we can't retool with Memphis's pick because of the protection.

Yeah give me the slight possibility of competeing for a title, over a Memphis pick we all in likelyhood wont be using for 2 more seasons and getting embarrased in the 1st round. Effort of the court, is the main issue. That's on the coaches/players. GM is doing his job here. Steep price to pay for a big? Absolutely, but that's the going rate for bigs. This is what Crynasty didn't understand. Bigs are coveted. You want one, you have to pony up. Plain and simple. There wasn't a mythical big out there that's good, to be had without giving up 2 1st.

Now Griffin needs to get a backup big, bc Mozgov can't play 48 min. Why we went into this season relying on Andy is beyond me. Side note, you guys (me included) have been QQing for a big. Glad to finally one, wish we could have done this earlier, Andy might still be healthy (prob not).

Joe Lull ‏@LullOnSports 2m2 minutes ago In the offseason David Griffin talked about going from "asset collection mode" to "targeted acquisition mode." Philosophy in action this wk.

Commander of Awesome;1693891 wrote:Crynasty's idiotic posts about clippers shouldn't give Blake Griffin Max deal and if he wouldn't accept that letting him walk or other bigs like him bc they weren't as good as LBJ brought teh lulz. Mediocre bigs will get paid a ton of money because of their rarity. A mediocre big is more coveted than an above avg guard because they're fucking big. Just the way it is. That's why Andy got the deal he got. We didn't give it to him, another team would.

Commander of Awesome;1693861 wrote:Should also be noted, Cavs still possess Haywood who's contract will be a huge asset in June and July as Cavs add more pieces.

SportsAndLady;1693905 wrote:Della blows

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1693913 wrote:In total, the Cavs gave up Dion Waiters, Lou Amundson, Alex Kirk, the Memphis 1st round pick, and a 2019 2nd..... FOR ..... JR Smith, Iman Shumpert, Timofey Mozgov, and a 2015 2nd round pick.

sportswizuhrd;1693926 wrote:Also gave up the 5.2 trade exception for Mozgov.

Cavs cut AJ Price...

PG - Kyrie, Delly
SG - Marion, Smith, Harris, Jones
SF - James, Shumpert, Miller
PF - Love, TT
C - Timofey, Haywood

Still need an upgrade on the bench at 1 and 5, I expect they will sign someone to be the third PG. I would not be opposed to Brady Heslip from the D-League or a veteran.

sportswizuhrd;1693926 wrote:Also gave up the 5.2 trade exception for Mozgov.

Cavs cut AJ Price...

PG - Kyrie, Delly
SG - Marion, Smith, Harris, Jones
SF - James, Shumpert, Miller
PF - Love, TT
C - Timofey, Haywood

Still need an upgrade on the bench at 1 and 5, I expect they will sign someone to be the third PG. I would not be opposed to Brady Heslip from the D-League or a veteran.

lhslep134;1694081 wrote:Slow hand clap FO, slow hand clap

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12136574/nba-how-did-cleveland-cavaliers-get-timofey-mozgov

"Considering where the Cavs started, it was making something from virtually nothing, even if it cost them a cache of draft picks. It is a strong example of how salary-cap management and manipulation are an important part of front-office work in the modern NBA."

Al Bundy;1694224 wrote:I hope the trade helps, but I have my doubts. To me, it has the feel of the trades that the Cavs did every year the last time LeBron was here to get the "missing piece". Those trades never worked.