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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Oct 29, 2014 4:29pm
Running behind the left side this year? Non-existant. They run to the right which is baffling if JT is such a good run blocker. Because if you look at the talent, one would think they'd run to the side of Thomas/Bitonio over Greco/Schwartz but it sure seems like they run a lot more to the right. As I've said before, JT is a great "finesse/technician" pass blocker but if you need a mauler to pound out a couple of yards, he's not your guy like a Pace, Walter Jones or Ogden.Commander of Awesome;1668621 wrote:Running behind the left sign in 2007 lewis avg more than middle or right side. Nice try though.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Oct 29, 2014 4:30pm
I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure JT has a positive run block rating on PFF. Not sure how you can classify his run blocking as "sorry."
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Oct 29, 2014 4:30pm
Wouldn't this logic go against your argument for Bitonio though?BR1986FB;1668623 wrote:Running behind the left side this year? Non-existant. They run to the right which is baffling if JT is such a good run blocker. Because if you look at the talent, one would think they'd run to the side of Thomas/Bitonio over Greco/Schwartz but it sure seems like they run a lot more to the right. As I've said before, JT is a great "finesse/technician" pass blocker but if you need a mauler to pound out a couple of yards, he's not your guy like a Pace, Walter Jones or Ogden.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Oct 29, 2014 4:32pm
Take it up with Pettine if he's so good. Not trying to be a smartass there but I'm frankly baffled why you have a Pro Bowl LT yet they run opposite of him. When they need to gain short yards, they don't seem to be running it that way.like_that;1668624 wrote:I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure JT has a positive run block rating on PFF. Not sure how you can classify his run blocking as "sorry."
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Oct 29, 2014 4:34pm
I am baffled too. They should be running behind bitonio and jt.BR1986FB;1668628 wrote:Take it up with Pettine if he's so good. Not trying to be a smartass there but I'm frankly baffled why you have a Pro Bowl LT yet they run opposite of him. When they need to gain short yards, they don't seem to be running it that way.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Oct 29, 2014 4:35pm
How so? I'm not saying JT isn't a very good to great LT (probably 1st ballot) but I've always thought he's been weak in the running game. People have their personal preferences though. Thomas is a technician. Guys like Pace, Ogden, Jones would just flat out run you over & pancake you. That's not Thomas' game.like_that;1668625 wrote:Wouldn't this logic go against your argument for Bitonio though?
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Oct 29, 2014 4:35pm
lhslep can you give us JT's run blocking grades from PFF?
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Oct 29, 2014 4:37pm
I am a fan of bitonio, but if you are saying he is better than JT during his rookie season, then they should be running to bitonio's side more often.BR1986FB;1668632 wrote:How so? I'm not saying JT isn't a very good to great LT (probably 1st ballot) but I've always thought he's been weak in the running game. People have their personal preferences though. Thomas is a technician. Guys like Pace, Ogden, Jones would just flat out run you over & pancake you. That's not Thomas' game.
BTW, i think it was a short bubble wr pass to hawkins/gabriel for a big gain, but bitonio was all the way down the field throwing blocks. It was awesome.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Oct 29, 2014 4:42pm
Unless they think Greco/Schwartz are > Bitonio/JT (as a combined twosome) in the running game. JT is their best pass blocker, no question to me. I think Schwartz is the weak link at pass blocking.like_that;1668635 wrote:I am a fan of bitonio, but if you are saying he is better than JT during his rookie season, then they should be running to bitonio's side more often.
BTW, i think it was a short bubble wr pass to hawkins/gabriel for a big gain, but bitonio was all the way down the field throwing blocks. It was awesome.
Maybe Schwartz & Grego are better at the run game than Bitonio/JT? Usually, your "road grader"guard is the right guard and your run blocking tackle is your RT. LT is usually a more athletic guy who can handle speed rushers but may not be that mauler in the running game.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Oct 29, 2014 5:25pm
Sorry to interrupt but didn't BR1986FB agree to leave forever last year? (Lost a bet maybe?)
Or was it someone else with a similar name?
I don't mind at all that he's back....just wondering if I was misremembering.
Or was it someone else with a similar name?
I don't mind at all that he's back....just wondering if I was misremembering.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Oct 29, 2014 5:33pm
Yes please.like_that;1668633 wrote:lhslep can you give us JT's run blocking grades from PFF?
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Oct 29, 2014 5:35pm
yeah..he lost that bet to me about the steelers/browns game.Ironman92;1668655 wrote:Sorry to interrupt but didn't BR1986FB agree to leave forever last year? (Lost a bet maybe?)
Or was it someone else with a similar name?
I don't mind at all that he's back....just wondering if I was misremembering.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Oct 29, 2014 5:35pm
Per PFF:
Joe Thomas' pass block rating: 10.6; run block: 8.8
Bitonio's pass: 3.2; run: 8.3
Thomas has the 2nd highest run block rating of any offensive tackle outside of St. Louis' RT Joe Barksdale (with a name like that, can we get him on the Browns?)
Joe Thomas' pass block rating: 10.6; run block: 8.8
Bitonio's pass: 3.2; run: 8.3
Thomas has the 2nd highest run block rating of any offensive tackle outside of St. Louis' RT Joe Barksdale (with a name like that, can we get him on the Browns?)
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Oct 29, 2014 5:38pm
I am actually really surprised by this stat. Thomas is a good run blocker but j didn't think he graded that high. I really think the zone blocking scheme has helped him out quite a bitlhslep134;1668660 wrote:Per PFF:
Joe Thomas' pass block rating: 10.6; run block: 8.8
Bitonio's pass: 3.2; run: 8.3
Thomas has the 2nd highest run block rating of any offensive tackle outside of St. Louis' RT Joe Barksdale (with a name like that, can we get him on the Browns?)
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Oct 29, 2014 5:44pm
Reps when I can.lhslep134;1668660 wrote:Per PFF:
Joe Thomas' pass block rating: 10.6; run block: 8.8
Bitonio's pass: 3.2; run: 8.3
Thomas has the 2nd highest run block rating of any offensive tackle outside of St. Louis' RT Joe Barksdale (with a name like that, can we get him on the Browns?)
lol, don't argue about Joe GOAThomas. Thanks.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Oct 29, 2014 5:54pm
Yeah, 2nd best run block rating is far from "sorry," LOL.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Oct 29, 2014 5:55pm
So now, why don't we run left more shanny boy?! That's the better debate.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Oct 29, 2014 6:09pm
Good fucking question, Bitonio's run block rating is very impressive.Commander of Awesome;1668670 wrote:So now, why don't we run left more shanny boy?! That's the better debate.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Oct 29, 2014 6:27pm
Serious question, as I'm not sure what goes in to it.
But is it possible they ratings are so high, because we don't run to that side of the line as often?
(Not getting in on the JT debate, just asking)
But is it possible they ratings are so high, because we don't run to that side of the line as often?
(Not getting in on the JT debate, just asking)
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Oct 29, 2014 6:46pm
It would be a smalle sample size, that might average out to a lower rating if they went left more often. But the rating itself wouldn't be wrong. When they do run that way, that is the rating.HighRoller74;1668678 wrote:Serious question, as I'm not sure what goes in to it.
But is it possible they ratings are so high, because we don't run to that side of the line as often?
(Not getting in on the JT debate, just asking)
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Oct 29, 2014 7:02pm
Thank you. Like I said wasn't getting into an argument about, just curiousLaley23;1668680 wrote:It would be a smalle sample size, that might average out to a lower rating if they went left more often. But the rating itself wouldn't be wrong. When they do run that way, that is the rating.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Oct 29, 2014 9:24pm
Stop ripping Thomas br God damnit
BRF
Posts: 8,748
Oct 29, 2014 9:40pm
Bah ha ha ha!Ironman92;1668655 wrote:
Or was it someone else with a similar name?
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Oct 30, 2014 7:57am
Like that I use propane but I have seen charcoal. Hell last year or two years ago a steelers can was talking shit, went into a game and came back out and his car was torched. A browns fan threw their coals on the car. Lololololo
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Oct 30, 2014 6:14pm
Maybe its just me, but I fail to see the humor in that.shook_17;1668881 wrote:Like that I use propane but I have seen charcoal. Hell last year or two years ago a steelers can was talking shit, went into a game and came back out and his car was torched. A browns fan threw their coals on the car. Lololololo