Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Feb 24, 2015 11:06am
Yeah Westbrook for sure. However if he doesn't miss another game, he'll only have played 67 games. That'd be the fewest games an MVP has played since Bill Walton won it.Laley23;1707760 wrote:Westbrook has crept into the discussion, IMO.
In the end, I think it comes down to LBJ and Curry.
For me it's
Curry/LBJ/Marc Gasol/Harden/Westbrook
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gport_tennis
Posts: 1,796
Feb 24, 2015 11:27am
MVP as of now to me is James harden... Got the rockets in 3rd place in the west with much bless talent then curry is playing with on GSW
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Feb 24, 2015 11:34am
The rockets are in 3rd, but they're as close to being the 8 seed as they are to the Warriors.
Curry has more talent around him, but the Warriors have won more than the Rockets, too. Its not like Harden is getting equal results with less talent.
Curry has more talent around him, but the Warriors have won more than the Rockets, too. Its not like Harden is getting equal results with less talent.
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gport_tennis
Posts: 1,796
Feb 24, 2015 1:08pm
I wouldn't be upset if Curry won MVP, I just think Harden has been better overall (slightly) and more valuable to his team. If curry and Harden flipped teams I think Warriors would be just as good and I don't think the rockets would be as good. They are really close in my eyes right now though for sure, just giving a slight edge to harden
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Feb 24, 2015 2:27pm
Disagree with you regarding switching teams. GSW have a great SG already, who plays better defense. I think switching Harden and Klay is a better argument, but think GSW would be worse. Curry makes GSW go, and the Rockets would be better with Curry over Harden. Can't make 1 decent argument for Harden over Curry IMO.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 24, 2015 3:28pm
Curry > HardenCommander of Awesome;1707823 wrote:Disagree with you regarding switching teams. GSW have a great SG already, who plays better defense. I think switching Harden and Klay is a better argument, but think GSW would be worse. Curry makes GSW go, and the Rockets would be better with Curry over Harden. Can't make 1 decent argument for Harden over Curry IMO.
This isn't even a debate. Harden has never put a team on his back and carried them to the #1 spot.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Feb 24, 2015 4:39pm
Steph Curry is far from carrying that team.sleeper;1707836 wrote:Curry > Harden
This isn't even a debate. Harden has never put a team on his back and carried them to the #1 spot.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 24, 2015 4:48pm
Really besides Klay there's no one else worth a damn on that team. Harden is putting his team on his back to carry them to the #3 spot in the West with a 2nd round at best playoff victory; Curry is putting his team on his back while leading them to the #1 spot in the West with an at worst NBA finals appearance.robj55;1707858 wrote:Steph Curry is far from carrying that team.
The comparison is laughable. Curry > Harden
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Feb 24, 2015 4:58pm
1. Harden
2. Curry
3. LeBron
4. AD (if voting today)
5. Marc Gasol
6. RW
2. Curry
3. LeBron
4. AD (if voting today)
5. Marc Gasol
6. RW
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gport_tennis
Posts: 1,796
Feb 24, 2015 5:48pm
I think Curry and Harden have similar roles regardless of position labels. On offense, the ball is in both of theirs hands a whole lot more than the other guards on the team. Their states are really similiar honestly, Harden scores more, rebounds better, and gets to the free throw line more than 2x as often as curry. I'm a huge fan of guys that put the other team in foul trouble. As great as Steph is at shooting 3's, his 3PM % is only 1% better than James HardenCommander of Awesome;1707823 wrote:Disagree with you regarding switching teams. GSW have a great SG already, who plays better defense. I think switching Harden and Klay is a better argument, but think GSW would be worse. Curry makes GSW go, and the Rockets would be better with Curry over Harden. Can't make 1 decent argument for Harden over Curry IMO.
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gport_tennis
Posts: 1,796
Feb 24, 2015 5:51pm
LOL, now thats something thats laughable. Harrison Barnes, Draymond Green, Andrew Igodoula, Bogut, David Lee and even Maurice Speights are all very important to that team.sleeper;1707862 wrote:Really besides Klay there's no one else worth a damn on that team.
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gport_tennis
Posts: 1,796
Feb 24, 2015 5:52pm
Curry and Harden are both in the 3-10 range for best players in the NBA, I personally put Harden slightly ahead of Curry, but I could see why some would like Curry better. Either way its def a valid comparison.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Feb 24, 2015 8:17pm
Yeah Draymond's not worth a damn...sleeper;1707862 wrote:Really besides Klay there's no one else worth a damn on that team.
The NBA is the only topic on here for which I unequivocally disregard your opinion. You clearly have no idea what you're typing.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Feb 24, 2015 10:11pm
There are plenty of talented players on that GSW team.sleeper;1707862 wrote:Really besides Klay there's no one else worth a damn on that team. Harden is putting his team on his back to carry them to the #3 spot in the West with a 2nd round at best playoff victory; Curry is putting his team on his back while leading them to the #1 spot in the West with an at worst NBA finals appearance.
The comparison is laughable. Curry > Harden
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Feb 24, 2015 10:43pm
Derrick Rose had knee pain so he got an MRI and it revealed a meniscus tear that will require surgery.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Feb 24, 2015 10:44pm
Derrick Rose to undergo surgery for a torn meniscus.
LOLOL
LOLOL
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Feb 24, 2015 10:45pm
Just came here to post this, dude isn't gonna last a few more years in the league.Laley23;1707989 wrote:Derrick Rose to undergo surgery for a torn meniscus.
LOLOL
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Feb 24, 2015 10:57pm
Sleeper nailed this one.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Feb 24, 2015 11:05pm
Did he? Or did he throw shit against the wall and something happened to stick?HighRoller74;1707996 wrote:Sleeper nailed this one.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Feb 24, 2015 11:07pm
Solid Point.Commander of Awesome;1708001 wrote:Did he? Or did he throw shit against the wall and something happened to stick?
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Feb 24, 2015 11:08pm
Did Derrick rose do something horrible in a past life? Good god
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Feb 24, 2015 11:11pm
I'm pretty sure we all nailed this. Who didn't predict another knee injury for him??
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Feb 24, 2015 11:11pm
Just like Grant Hill, Penny, and Gilbert Arenas.
Just something with their bodies where either they don't heal right or something.
Just something with their bodies where either they don't heal right or something.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Feb 24, 2015 11:57pm
Rose is FREAK athlete, just like Courtney Brown, Lavar Arrington, Bo Jackson, Clowney, etc.. that just don't seem able to stay healthy. Never vetted my theory, but I've always thought at some point the human body can only take so big/strong/fast before it breaks down. There are obv exceptions.HighRoller74;1708010 wrote:Just like Grant Hill, Penny, and Gilbert Arenas.
Just something with their bodies where either they don't heal right or something.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 25, 2015 12:34am
LOL. Bogut? Perpetually injured. Lee? Old man winter. Igodula? This isn't 2005.gport_tennis;1707897 wrote:LOL, now thats something thats laughable. Harrison Barnes, Draymond Green, Andrew Igodoula, Bogut, David Lee and even Maurice Speights are all very important to that team.