sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 25, 2015 12:35am
I've been saying this for a while. He's done.robj55;1707992 wrote:Just came here to post this, dude isn't gonna last a few more years in the league.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Feb 25, 2015 1:16am
If he's not done physically then mentally he has to be shot.sleeper;1708033 wrote:I've been saying this for a while. He's done.
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
Feb 25, 2015 3:58am
LeBron - 30 years oldsleeper;1708032 wrote:Lee? Old man winter.
David Lee - 31 years old
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
Feb 25, 2015 3:59am
Brandon Roy most recently.HighRoller74;1708010 wrote:Just like Grant Hill, Penny, and Gilbert Arenas.
Just something with their bodies where either they don't heal right or something.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Feb 25, 2015 7:02am
This might be a better category for him. My 1st thought was D Rose knee is Grant Hill's ankle. You listed quite the group of powerful/fast guys....I think Bo is in a class of his own.Commander of Awesome;1708026 wrote:Rose is FREAK athlete, just like Courtney Brown, Lavar Arrington, Bo Jackson, Clowney, etc.. that just don't seem able to stay healthy. Never vetted my theory, but I've always thought at some point the human body can only take so big/strong/fast before it breaks down. There are obv exceptions.
Was it Aikman who Arrington blew up to end his career?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 25, 2015 11:35am
Well when Lebron James ever gets forced out of a 45 loss team, then we can mention them on the same planet. Lee sucks. He would ride the bench on the Cavs and we have no front court.sportswizuhrd;1708037 wrote:LeBron - 30 years old
David Lee - 31 years old
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 25, 2015 11:35am
Done physically. His MVP season was fraud.robj55;1708036 wrote:If he's not done physically then mentally he has to be shot.
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gport_tennis
Posts: 1,796
Feb 25, 2015 11:36am
He'd be the first big off the bench behind love.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 25, 2015 11:38am
The Cavs would be better off signing me to a league minimum contract off the bench behind Love than paying David Lee $13M to suck ass.gport_tennis;1708137 wrote:He'd be the first big off the bench behind love.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Feb 25, 2015 11:49am
C'mon man David Lee has been 20-10 basically since 08, he's been one of the more underrated players in the league. This year he hasn't been healthy and lost his role to Draymond Green.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Feb 25, 2015 11:53am
David Lee is an above average NBA player.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Feb 25, 2015 11:56am
He's also only a 1 way player. Prob one of the worst defending PF in the game. Him, Userloserboozer, Love.robj55;1708143 wrote:C'mon man David Lee has been 20-10 basically since 08, he's been one of the more underrated players in the league. This year he hasn't been healthy and lost his role to Draymond Green.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Feb 25, 2015 12:30pm
There aren't very many PF's who are great defenders in the game tbh.Commander of Awesome;1708147 wrote:He's also only a 1 way player. Prob one of the worst defending PF in the game. Him, Userloserboozer, Love.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Feb 25, 2015 12:54pm
Aldridge, Jefferson, Ibaka, Draymond Green, Zach Randolph, KG, Timmy, Davis are a few off the top of my head. Some of those guys like Timmy/KG are past their prime though, and not sure how great of defenders they are anymore. But they have a rep as being solid to good+ defenders.robj55;1708169 wrote:There aren't very many PF's who are great defenders in the game tbh.
David Lee may be a double double machine, like Amare was back in the day, but I'll take a Taj Gibson over him any day of the week.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Feb 25, 2015 1:14pm
I like Taj Gibson, just depends on your team need and fit really. Acting like David Lee is some bum thought is ignorant, he's been underrated if anything.Commander of Awesome;1708185 wrote:Aldridge, Jefferson, Ibaka, Draymond Green, Zach Randolph, KG, Timmy, Davis are a few off the top of my head. Some of those guys like Timmy/KG are past their prime though, and not sure how great of defenders they are anymore. But they have a rep as being solid to good+ defenders.
David Lee may be a double double machine, like Amare was back in the day, but I'll take a Taj Gibson over him any day of the week.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Feb 25, 2015 1:19pm
I can't envision any team with David Lee as their 1st, 2nd option as a successful team. What Lee brings is a reb and some scoring. Taj Brings Reb, decent scorer, though not the shooter Lee is, and a + defender. I'll take him any day of the week, on any team over Lee.robj55;1708200 wrote:I like Taj Gibson, just depends on your team need and fit really. Acting like David Lee is some bum thought is ignorant, he's been underrated if anything.
David Lee is a less athletic Griffin/Amare to me, which is far from a bum.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Feb 25, 2015 1:33pm
Yeah I'm not saying he's a cornerstone player, but he's averaged 20 and 10 quite a few times in his career and seemed to fly under the radar. I always though Taj Gibson could start for almost any team int he league.Commander of Awesome;1708201 wrote:I can't envision any team with David Lee as their 1st, 2nd option as a successful team. What Lee brings is a reb and some scoring. Taj Brings Reb, decent scorer, though not the shooter Lee is, and a + defender. I'll take him any day of the week, on any team over Lee.
David Lee is a less athletic Griffin/Amare to me, which is far from a bum.
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
Feb 25, 2015 5:32pm
I thought we were talking about their age? You did call him old man winter...sleeper;1708134 wrote:Well when Lebron James ever gets forced out of a 45 loss team, then we can mention them on the same planet. Lee sucks. He would ride the bench on the Cavs and we have no front court.
Nonetheless, Lee signed a Free Agent contract with Golden State, what team was he forced out of?
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rydawg5
Posts: 2,639
Feb 25, 2015 5:57pm
Lebron better watch out he going head to head with his son in 8 years haha
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Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Feb 25, 2015 6:00pm
That would be outstanding....but so much pressure on that kid. These often fizzle out.rydawg5;1708342 wrote:Lebron better watch out he going head to head with his son in 8 years haha
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Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Feb 25, 2015 9:25pm
Either you're not watching the Cavs this season, or just saying Love's defense is terrible out of habit.Commander of Awesome;1708147 wrote:He's also only a 1 way player. Prob one of the worst defending PF in the game. Him, Userloserboozer, Love.
But, Kevin Love's on ball defense since the pick up of Mozgov has been above average, if not higher. He's not a shot blocker, and he won't be flying in to contest from the helpside. But 1 on 1, man to man, defense he's been very good.
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Feb 25, 2015 10:00pm
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Feb 25, 2015 10:06pm
Rondo isn't that good of a player anymore. He MIGHT be a top 15 PG.
KI
Wall
Paul
Curry
Parker
Conley
Teague
Lilliard
Dragic
Lowry
Westbrook?
Bledsoe
Would take all of the above over him without thinking twice.
D-Will
Rubio
Jackson
Knight
Would be the next group that I would listen to arguments for.
KI
Wall
Paul
Curry
Parker
Conley
Teague
Lilliard
Dragic
Lowry
Westbrook?
Bledsoe
Would take all of the above over him without thinking twice.
D-Will
Rubio
Jackson
Knight
Would be the next group that I would listen to arguments for.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Feb 25, 2015 10:12pm
Why does RW have a ?HighRoller74;1708405 wrote:Rondo isn't that good of a player anymore. He MIGHT be a top 15 PG.
KI
Wall
Paul
Curry
Parker
Conley
Teague
Lilliard
Dragic
Lowry
Westbrook?
Bledsoe
Would take all of the above over him without thinking twice.
D-Will
Rubio
Jackson
Knight
Would be the next group that I would listen to arguments for.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Feb 25, 2015 10:14pm
Combo guard vs PG is my only explanation.Ironman92;1708408 wrote:Why does RW have a ?