sleeper
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Jul 1, 2015 11:29am
He's just not an elite player. He had a good NBA finals but that was it. I don't see him carrying the Spurs anywhere after Duncan, Manu, and Parker retire. He's not a piece for the future.Dr. KnOiTaLL;1738168 wrote:You serious? I think he's a stud. And the Spurs are the perfect team for him. Pop will make it look like a bargain.
j_crazy
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Jul 1, 2015 11:36am
I tend to agree with you here. He warrants a max deal, don't think he plays like a max player. One thing I will say is that Leonard seems to give it all whenever he's on the floor. I can respect paying a guy who has that kind of motor to go with incredible ability.sleeper;1738171 wrote:He's just not an elite player. He had a good NBA finals but that was it. I don't see him carrying the Spurs anywhere after Duncan, Manu, and Parker retire. He's not a piece for the future.
Azubuike24
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Jul 1, 2015 11:41am
Leonard and Aldridge would be a pretty solid foundation for the next era of the Spurs.
wildcats20
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Jul 1, 2015 11:45am
Danny Green 4 years, $45M with Spurs.
Commander of Awesome
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Jul 1, 2015 11:48am
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 2m2 minutes ago The San Antonio Spurs have traded center Tiago Splitter to the Atlanta Hawks, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
Well shucks Cavs
Well shucks Cavs
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gport_tennis
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Jul 1, 2015 11:57am
He's one of the best 2 way players in the league. Not many guys have the ability to guard lebron AND durant individually, kawhi is 1.j_crazy;1738178 wrote:I tend to agree with you here. He warrants a max deal, don't think he plays like a max player. One thing I will say is that Leonard seems to give it all whenever he's on the floor. I can respect paying a guy who has that kind of motor to go with incredible ability.
Spurs were .500 team without him last year, they won at a .720 clip with him.
17 & 7, while being the leagues best defender. Sounds like a max type player to me. Also, at 23 he's bound to continue to improve.
sleeper
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Jul 1, 2015 12:01pm
Or heavily regress to his mean. You really think he puts up any relevant numbers after the Big 3 move on? No. He's an above average defender but a mediocre offensive talent. Not a max deal.gport_tennis;1738201 wrote:He's one of the best 2 way players in the league. Not many guys have the ability to guard lebron AND durant individually, kawhi is 1.
Spurs were .500 team without him last year, they won at a .720 clip with him.
17 & 7, while being the leagues best defender. Sounds like a max type player to me. Also, at 23 he's bound to continue to improve.
wildcats20
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Jul 1, 2015 12:16pm
DeMarre Carroll to the Raptors. 4 years, $60M
ZWICK 4 PREZ
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Jul 1, 2015 12:19pm
Starting 5 of Parker, green, Leonard, Duncan, Aldridge with ginobli, diaw, mills off the bench? Yikes!
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gport_tennis
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Jul 1, 2015 12:31pm
San Antonio doesn't have a big 3 anymore. They are a well rounded team, their 2 most important players are Kawhi and then Duncan. So, depending on how the offseason goes for the spurs (signing Aldredge???) I expect Kawhi to average between 17 - 21 pts per game next year.sleeper;1738205 wrote:Or heavily regress to his mean. You really think he puts up any relevant numbers after the Big 3 move on? No. He's an above average defender but a mediocre offensive talent. Not a max deal.
Also, he is much more than an above average defender, he is THE BEST defender. I know you think defense is overrated and only teams with LBJ are capable of winning titles, but having the best defender in the league on your team is a huge plus.
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gport_tennis
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Jul 1, 2015 12:31pm
That's a pretty good squad for sure, although I think Ginoboli is going to retire. Just a gut feeling.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1738213 wrote:Starting 5 of Parker, green, Leonard, Duncan, Aldridge with ginobli, diaw, mills off the bench? Yikes!
sleeper
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Jul 1, 2015 12:32pm
Yikes indeed.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1738213 wrote:Starting 5 of Parker, green, Leonard, Duncan, Aldridge with ginobli, diaw, mills off the bench? Yikes!
wildcats20
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Jul 1, 2015 12:34pm
I would expect the Aldridge to SA announcement some time this evening.
sleeper
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Jul 1, 2015 12:35pm
Well rounded team, can't even win a playoff series.gport_tennis;1738217 wrote:San Antonio doesn't have a big 3 anymore. They are a well rounded team, their 2 most important players are Kawhi and then Duncan. So, depending on how the offseason goes for the spurs (signing Aldredge???) I expect Kawhi to average between 17 - 21 pts per game next year.
Also, he is much more than an above average defender, he is THE BEST defender. I know you think defense is overrated and only teams with LBJ are capable of winning titles, but having the best defender in the league on your team is a huge plus.
If the Spurs get Aldridge, at least they will have a true max player to carry the team.
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gport_tennis
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Jul 1, 2015 12:40pm
I'll never get how you have such a hard on for winning and players who win, yet shun guys like Kawhi Leonard a proven champion with a Finals MVP and a DPOY award. You make no sensesleeper;1738221 wrote:Well rounded team, can't even win a playoff series.
If the Spurs get Aldridge, at least they will have a true max player to carry the team.
sleeper
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Jul 1, 2015 12:45pm
I said he's not a max player. Not sure why this is complicated.gport_tennis;1738223 wrote:I'll never get how you have such a hard on for winning and players who win, yet shun guys like Kawhi Leonard a proven champion with a Finals MVP and a DPOY award. You make no sense
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gport_tennis
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Jul 1, 2015 12:50pm
fair enough, I disagree and think he is a max player. If he average 17+ and finishes top 5 NBA dpoy next year, would your opinion change?sleeper;1738226 wrote:I said he's not a max player. Not sure why this is complicated.
sleeper
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Jul 1, 2015 12:51pm
No.gport_tennis;1738228 wrote:fair enough, I disagree and think he is a max player. If he average 17+ and finishes top 5 NBA dpoy next year, would your opinion change?
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gport_tennis
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Jul 1, 2015 12:52pm
What would it take?sleeper;1738229 wrote:No.
sleeper
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Jul 1, 2015 12:56pm
20, 8, 5. 50% shooting. 60+ wins, and top 3 DPOY.gport_tennis;1738230 wrote:What would it take?
And a playoff series win.
Commander of Awesome
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Jul 1, 2015 1:31pm
Anyone else lol-ing at Raptors? Carroll has Bonzi Wells written all over him to me.
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gport_tennis
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Jul 1, 2015 1:39pm
Not a single player in the league accomplished those stats this year. I guess there are no players in the league worth Max contracts.sleeper;1738231 wrote:20, 8, 5. 50% shooting. 60+ wins, and top 3 DPOY.
And a playoff series win.
sleeper
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Jul 1, 2015 1:42pm
Well the added wins requirement and DPOY are there because Leonard hasn't done enough to warrant his current deal so has to work extra hard to get the value extracted.gport_tennis;1738241 wrote:Not a single player in the league accomplished those stats this year. I guess there are no players in the league worth Max contracts.
I mean is Iggy a max player? He's good a defense and a finals MVP.
j_crazy
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Jul 1, 2015 1:47pm
#DROPTHEMICsleeper;1738243 wrote:I mean is Iggy a max player? He's good a defense and a finals MVP.
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gport_tennis
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Jul 1, 2015 1:54pm
Apples to oranges comparison. Andre is 7 years older than Kawhi, and is on the downward trajectory of his career. Kawhi is just now entering his prime, already has a title (which included 4 round of playoff wins fyi), defensive POY, and a finals MVP.sleeper;1738243 wrote:Well the added wins requirement and DPOY are there because Leonard hasn't done enough to warrant his current deal so has to work extra hard to get the value extracted.
I mean is Iggy a max player? He's good a defense and a finals MVP.
Even if the Kawhi we saw this year was the same Kawhi we see for the next 5 years and does not improve in any facets of the game, he is still worth a max contract. Chances are we will see an even better Kawhi as he continues to improve.