Heretic;1673748 wrote:As a Calipari-ite, he's probably just too used to taking shortcuts, first to be eligible in college while putting in as little work as possible and now to cash checks for as little work as possible.

Lol this

Heretic;1673748 wrote:As a Calipari-ite, he's probably just too used to taking shortcuts, first to be eligible in college while putting in as little work as possible and now to cash checks for as little work as possible.

He put in a LOT of work to be eligible for college though.

I mean, didnt get the needed SAT score in Chicago, so he actually went to Detroit (conveniently where Cals good friend, WWW lives) to take it. Must be an easier test in Detroit...cause he got the score.

Laley23;1673755 wrote:He put in a LOT of work to be eligible for college though.

I mean, didnt get the needed SAT score in Chicago, so he actually went to Detroit (conveniently where Cals good friend, WWW lives) to take it. Must be an easier test in Detroit...cause he got the score.

Didn't someone take it for him?

Is Calipari the perceived slimiest of all collegiate coaches?

wildcats20;1673757 wrote:Didn't someone take it for him?

Smart money says yes.

He failed to qualify in Chicago, but the places offering for him to take the test knew Derrick Rose (so no one could take it for him). So World Wide Wes set something up in Detroit where someone took it for him, and qualified.

Im sorry, but Derrick Rose doesnt just randomly take the SATs in Detroit after failed in Chicago lol.

Ironman92;1673762 wrote:Is Calipari the perceived slimiest of all collegiate coaches?

I'd say yes, but a good part of that is just because how much easier it is to get information in today's age with the Internet and all. If the same technology existed 20-30 years ago to the same degree, I'd be very interested in seeing how he and Tark the Shark stacked up against each other.

And, well, if you add football, there are others I'd call worse. Like Lane Kiffin. At least Calipari turns shadiness into lots of wins. Kiffin just became a laughing-stock and failure.

Ironman92;1673762 wrote:Is Calipari the perceived slimiest of all collegiate coaches?

Do people really think this RIGHT NOW?

I'm actually curious.

Also, it's amazing how they can trace this UNC stuff back to the saint, Dean Smith, and continuing on to another saint, Roy Williams. Furthermore, some of the stuff from another saint, Jim Boeheim.

My take on Calipari, and it's just opinion is...in the past? Probably. I thought so when he first started at Memphis. I remember posting on JJHuddle in the early 2000's about my opinion on it.

Furthermore, who do you think is riding dirtier? The policitician trying to establish his name at a local/state level to get to the big show? Or a current member of Congress? It's similar. A lot of the shadiness is on your way up, not once you're at the top. He barely has to sell anything to recruit now. In a few years, he'll have just about half the NBA All-Star team as products of his school, more players in the league than anyone and most likely, an alumni base worth a few billion dollars. Oh, and the "Kentucky" brand along with the richest conference backing behind it.

Also...

1. Every opposing coach, fan, NCAA blowhard wanting to make a name for himself, etc...is looking for dirt on Calipari. In today's era of social media and technology, I'd venture to say it's impossible to be funneling players 100K in cash (Camby) or fixing SAT tests (Rose) without someone blowing the whistle. No disgrunted coaches (he's fired a few), players (a few have left school/transferred) and media members (he's told quite a few to fuck off) have said a peep. Are all of them in cahoots?

2. Kentucky basketball, at this point, and the coach will agree, is basically run like a pro team. They handle the media like a pro team. They adhere to schedules like a pro team. Heck, this year's team will be operated like a pro team (with the platoon and such). They come there as a business decision. Not that they don't act like college kids, but Cal has said as much that he's looking for talented, but coachable and mature kids who CAN handle this spotlight. I venture to say this is why in 6 years under Cal, you don't ever hear a peep about off-the-court discretions, arrests, disciplinary actions, qualifying issues, etc. Again, is everyone out there in-cahoots to cover this up? It also explains the immediate termination of specific recruits who seemed to be in very good graces with UK. Anthony Bennett (had qualifying issues before UNLV). Quincy Miller (had disciplinary problems at Baylor). Josh Selby (had qualifying issues before Kansas). There are others too. I mean, in 6 years, other than Eric Bledsoe's Junior year of HS, have you ever heard a single issue about a Kentucky recruit and becoming eligible? It's not a school thing (many UK football players have had issues). It's not a conference thing (many other SEC basketball players have issues). They simply don't need to take risks, regardless of the talent. If a top 15 recruit has issues, pass. Recruit the 2 others in the top 15 at his same position and they at least have a decent shot to get one of them.

Azubuike24;1673770 wrote:Do people really think this RIGHT NOW?

I'm actually curious.

Also, it's amazing how they can trace this UNC stuff back to the saint, Dean Smith, and continuing on to another saint, Roy Williams. Furthermore, some of the stuff from another saint, Jim Boeheim.

My take on Calipari, and it's just opinion is...in the past? Probably. I thought so when he first started at Memphis. I remember posting on JJHuddle in the early 2000's about my opinion on it.

Furthermore, who do you think is riding dirtier? The policitician trying to establish his name at a local/state level to get to the big show? Or a current member of Congress? It's similar. A lot of the shadiness is on your way up, not once you're at the top. He barely has to sell anything to recruit now. In a few years, he'll have just about half the NBA All-Star team as products of his school, more players in the league than anyone and most likely, an alumni base worth a few billion dollars. Oh, and the "Kentucky" brand along with the richest conference backing behind it.

I wasn't trying to ruin your night and my perception of Calipari has improved over the years. That being said with me being ignorant to the exact happenings at UMass and Memphis but my #1 slimer in college basketball is Calipari.....Kiffin might beat him throughout the college sports.

To me he's a used car salesman, but he at least sells Mercedes.

Sorry....and if you post more than 8 sentences about it that I just don't care enough to read.

Laley23;1673763 wrote:Smart money says yes.

He failed to qualify in Chicago, but the places offering for him to take the test knew Derrick Rose (so no one could take it for him). So World Wide Wes set something up in Detroit where someone took it for him, and qualified.

Im sorry, but Derrick Rose doesnt just randomly take the SATs in Detroit after failed in Chicago lol.

Haha I should've drove to Detroit I guess in high school to get a better score huh?

LOL at azu. Cal is easily the biggest sleaze bag coach out there.

Go Cats.

like_that;1673806 wrote:LOL at azu. Cal is easily the biggest sleaze bag coach out there.

Agree with this, but with AZU as well.

Some of his points about Cal now are probably true, he doesn't have to do anything now to get the recruits, but his past more than makes up for it.

Just because a prostitute no longer works the corner, doesn't make her any less a whore.

I don't think he cheats at UK.

But, I do think it is greaseball salesman to have Drake at Midnight Madness, LeBron at practices, Jay-Z in the locker room after games etc.

I don't think he is wrong and don't blame him for it...but it definitely screams "used car salesman" to me.

The problem is, coming from UK fans, nobody will buy it. The prostitute/whore analogy makes sense. I can admit he's likely a guy who built himself to where he is by doing a bunch of shady shit. However, for every Calipari, there are 100 who do/did the same shit and are no longer someone who even has a job now.

Regardless of how he's gotten there, he's a master marketer and is always one step ahead of the rest of the field. It's pretty similar to how many fortune 100 companies were built. They got to the top, often times, using below standard ethics. It doesn't make their sustainability now less impressive.

Laley23;1673817 wrote:I don't think he cheats at UK.

But, I do think it is greaseball salesman to have Drake at Midnight Madness, LeBron at practices, Jay-Z in the locker room after games etc.

I don't think he is wrong and don't blame him for it...but it definitely screams "used car salesman" to me.

This is true. And if that's an offense worth attacking him for, so be it. He doesn't pretend to be righteous and act like he's running a team that is there to have players stay 4 years, get degrees and not think about the bottom line of making money in the future. The problem is, every other coach competing with him has the same agenda, they just don't take the flack of being the poster boy for it. As I said, are you for a second going to pretend that Boeheim, K, Roy or Self give a fuck about academics? What aspiring professional has that as their top priority?

It's the idiots that honestly believe he's paying recruits hundreds of thousands of dollars to attend Kentucky. Or he's fixing things to get players eligible. C'mon.

I think he had a hand (indirectly) in getting Rose eligible. But not at UK.

I also think no coach cares about academics beyond keeping them eligible (UNC takes it a bit too far lol). I just have a problem with all the celebs associated with them. ESPN televising a practice (not midnight madness), etc. Again, don't really blame him since it is CLEARLY working. But, as I said, "used car salesman". It's mostly on Cal for taking the program that way and partly the medias fault for eating it all up and then shoving it down our throats.

It is what it is, and if he isn't cheating (don't think he is anymore), I got no problems with it. I just don't like the way the program is run at this point.

The Rose thing, if it was happening NOW, I honestly believe wouldn't result in 3 year penalties and a forfeited season. Regardless of what happened, the NCAA did not do their job, they ruled Rose eligible, and then after the fact, ruled him ineligible. They didn't implicate Calipari, but the university, in not completely crossing all their T's and dotting their I's. Calipari individually actually has zero violations to his name, but the program he's at was associated with two different scandals. While I doubt he directly had a hand in Rose passing the SAT, it would be naive to think he didn't let it happen knowing the ultimate price would NOT be his to pay. This isn't a Bruce Pearl/Kelvin Sampson deal where he's directly doing the cheating.

My whole problem is, how many times do we see a player get ruled eligible by the NCAA, he plays, then he's ruled ineligible by the NCAA after his career is over and the school faces what? Darrell Arthur was ruled ineligible at Kansas, but they faced no penalties for it. What happens to the accountability in many of these other cases, at a variety of other schools where a player becomes ineligible at some time during his career before his final game is played? Isn't that accountability basically what got Memphis burned? Basically, it was the NCAA's conclusion NOT that Memphis knew about this, but it was a lack of institutional control to allow it to happen. What is it at UNC, with evidence going back TWENTY YEARS?

We can all agree, the double standard is the bullshit part about the NCAA and why we all hope they are done with. Also, this is an NBA thread and I'm sorry for rambling about the NCAA. I'm done with the topic.

I'm not quite sure why Chalmers lost the starting job to Norris Cole.

Kobe with only 28 FG attempts tonight

Bosh and Deng were terrible for Miami

Austin Rivers has been formidable off the Pelicans bench.

lolknickslol

2-7, would like the Cavs to have that one back.

Ironman92;1673881 wrote:
Austin Rivers has been formidable off the Pelicans bench.

Lakers d, nuff said

Commander of Awesome;1673894 wrote:Lakers d, nuff said

He's been pretty fair (at least offensively) all season

Paul millsap, good. 30 and 17

Anthony Davis, good. 25 and 12

Evan Fournier. Damn Frenchy keeps scoring. 28 last night.

So how long until Brian Shaw gets canned. 84 points at halftime?