IggyPride00;1662504 wrote:Hoyer is going to become the Browns version of Andy Dalton. Just good enough to make a sad sack franchise feel good about not being 4-12 every year, but never good enough to win anything of consequence. Farmer screwed the pooch big time because it will be impossible to not over pay and bring him back next year without a fan revolt if we win 8-9 games because in this town it will feel like the Super Bowl. Reality is though he will be 30 years old next year and he is at his absolute peak with nothing but downside going forward. We're pissing in the wind and running in place as long as Hoyermania is allowed to run wild on Cleveland. Ask Cincy fans about how quickly the euphoria wears off of not being 4-12 anymore when you get bounced in the first round of the playoffs each year because you have a QB just good enough to get you there but not good enough to win you anything. I said before the season that it would be nuclear winter in Cleveland if Hoyer wins 8 games or so and it will sabotage the future of the franchise to those of us that would like to see a SB at some point in this city. Biggest example of fools gold I have seen in the history of Cleveland sports and that is saying something. If Farmer had half a brain he would shit can Pettine's sorry ass and let Shannahan run the team as someone will hire him to be a head coach this off-season and all we will be left with is the glorified HS coach that can't coach a lick of defense and a 30 year old journeymen QB who just lost the offensive brain trust that got him paid because he managed to do something more than win 4-5 games.Shannahan is the only coach on this staff with any talent. He has taken a cast of scrubs and made them look like NFL players while our Defensive guru of a head coach (who road his daddy and Rex Ryans playcalls to get there) allows his team to come out unprepared to play football week after week with one of the worst defenses in the NFL. Lost in Hoyermania has been how wildly in over his head Pettine is and how he is being bailed out week after week by Shannahan. Just as we were the only NFL team that even considered handing over the reigns to Mike Pettine, we will be the last team to realize that Shannahan is the only coach on this staff with any talent and he will be long gone before anyone realizes it leaving us stuck with that Goldberg looking wannabe buffoon that is "coaching" this team.
*rode*. I agree with your assessment on Shanahan. He's definitely the number one key to the offense. Even Weeden would have had success with him running things. ButI wouldn't throe Pettine under the bus at this point. Give the guy a chance...you can't fire him after 3preseason games. Do you remember Bellichick's first 2 seasons? I remember Trivasonno going ape shit on running this high school coach out of town after the Browns, as a 14 point favorite, lost to Jax at home.As for Hoyer, this might sound strange, but I think he is a better quarterback than Dalton is, right now. As much as I want Manziel in there, Hoyer is playing better than anybody has other than maybe DA for one year and Kelly Holcomb for a stretch. The defense is pathetic and if someone needs to be sent packing it should be O'Brian.I also think the Browns would be sitting 3-1 or 4-0 if Manziel was running Shanahan's offense. We will never know for sure but this is nonsense saying Manziel would struggle right now. No he wouldn't. He would excel. Right now, the Browns are putting an exciting product on the field and with a win tomorrow, the season could get interesting. A loss pretty much puts them in a position where the mountain is too high to climb.Frisco moved Montana to make room for Young. GB moved Favre to make room for Rogers. SD moved Breez o make room for Rivers. This off season the Browns will not keep both Manziel and Hoyer. Call me an assclown for saying this but nothing would make me happier than seeing Hoyer go down with injury for 4-5 weeks and allow Manziel to showcase his talents. Then and only then can the Browns and there fans make judgment on a true completion. Listening to the Bull yesterday was nauseating in his regurgitation of Manzoel being so awful in preseason. Well, he was a lot better than Hoyer was.