Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Jan 21, 2015 8:50am
I'm sure they care a whole lot.SportsAndLady;1698354 wrote:Not sure but it really doesn't matter. If Rodgers is cheating he should get in trouble too. Point is, the patriots cheated and this isn't their first time getting caught cheating.
Their reputation is destroyed by being a bunch of cheaters.
Laley23
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Jan 21, 2015 8:53am
Both links you posted said Rodgers prefers over inflated footballs and he wishes the NFL didn't take air out of them to meet the requirements. Nowhere does it say he cheats and pumps them back up. In the deadspin article, it is unclear if he pushes the limit before the league checks or after.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 21, 2015 8:58am
It doesn't even matter. Getting caught cheating and immediately saying "well ______ does it too!" Is the response you'd get from a 5 year old who gets caught taking cookies from the pantry and immediately blames his brother.Laley23;1698361 wrote:Both links you posted said Rodgers prefers over inflated footballs and he wishes the NFL didn't take air out of them to meet the requirements. Nowhere does it say he cheats and pumps them back up. In the deadspin article, it is unclear if he pushes the limit before the league checks or after.
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Jan 21, 2015 8:58am
Laley23;1698361 wrote:Both links you posted said Rodgers prefers over inflated footballs and he wishes the NFL didn't take air out of them to meet the requirements. Nowhere does it say he cheats and pumps them back up. In the deadspin article, it is unclear if he pushes the limit before the league checks or after.
Sounds like he doesn't think what he's doing is cheating, but says that what the Patriots did is."My belief is that there should be a minimum air-pressure requirement but not a maximum. There's no advantage, in my opinion -- we're not kicking the football -- there's no advantage in having a pumped-up football.
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Jan 21, 2015 9:01am
A lot of people give a fuck. It's all over ESPN, Yahoo Sports, CBS Sports, Twitter, etc.Pick6;1698341 wrote:Who gives a fuck honestly? I couldn't give a damn about the Pats. So what it makes it easier to catch, you ever try throwing a flat football? D'qwell probably has his "flat" football to thank for his int tbh.
So you admit it makes it easier to catch. It's not however a tradeoff if only one team is doing it.Pick6;1698349 wrote:filming practices is fucked up, stepping out on the field to stop somebody from scoring is fucked up. deflating balls making them easier to catch and harder to throw isn't fucked up. its a tradeoff.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Jan 21, 2015 9:04am
"I like to push the limits of how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do"Laley23;1698361 wrote:Both links you posted said Rodgers prefers over inflated footballs and he wishes the NFL didn't take air out of them to meet the requirements. Nowhere does it say he cheats and pumps them back up. In the deadspin article, it is unclear if he pushes the limit before the league checks or after.
Did you watch the video? So he does put more air in them and then lets the refs take it out if he gets caught. So how is it different?
The officials had no problem with the balls the patriots were using, so what's the problem? Maybe they should blame the referees for not knowing.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Jan 21, 2015 9:41am
Another thing is - if they can't prove how the balls were deflated after referee inspection, then how do we know that the referees did not make a mistake an approve the under inflated balls?
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Jan 21, 2015 9:44am
LOL at trying to justify this by saying "Aaron Rodgers does it too!"...Rules are rules...you either play by them and expect ALL to play by them, or you throw them out. In this case you either enforce the inflation rules or you just let the QB's inflate them to wherever they want them. A ball is either regulation or it's not.SportsAndLady;1698363 wrote:It doesn't even matter. Getting caught cheating and immediately saying "well ______ does it too!" Is the response you'd get from a 5 year old who gets caught taking cookies from the pantry and immediately blames his brother.
It's like corking a bat in baseball.....you get caught cheating, there is a price to pay. here is no "Well, Albert Belle did it" excuse that allows you to skate.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Jan 21, 2015 9:50am
So say they find that no one tampered with the balls after the referee inspection - is there still a penalty to the Patriots for the referees making a mistake?HitsRus;1698379 wrote:LOL at trying to justify this by saying "Aaron Rodgers does it too!"...Rules are rules...you either play by them and expect ALL to play by them, or you throw them out. In this case you either enforce the inflation rules or you just let the QB's inflate them to wherever they want them. A ball is either regulation or it's not.
It's like corking a bat in baseball.....you get caught cheating, there is a price to pay. here is no "Well, Albert Belle did it" excuse that allows you to skate.
Pick6
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Jan 21, 2015 9:54am
bottom line is the colts are sore crybaby losers because they didn't belong on the same field at the pats
http://deadspin.com/the-patriots-ballghazi-scandal-cannot-be-overblown-enou-1680853191?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
http://deadspin.com/the-patriots-ballghazi-scandal-cannot-be-overblown-enou-1680853191?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 21, 2015 10:00am
Hi I'm earth, have we met?Raw Dawgin' it;1698380 wrote:So say they find that no one tampered with the balls after the referee inspection - is there still a penalty to the Patriots for the referees making a mistake?
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Jan 21, 2015 10:05am
Clearly not - but if the referees approved the games balls and there was no tampering with them after the fact, then this is on the referees.SportsAndLady;1698385 wrote:Hi I'm earth, have we met?
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jan 21, 2015 10:15am
They don't give a shit about the punishments, which is exactly why the nfl should come down hard on them. The fact this isn't their first rodeo shows they have no regard for the integrity of the game. A message needs to be sent. Lol at trying to down play it though.Raw Dawgin' it;1698358 wrote:They could suspend him and i bet he finds a way to coach the team. I honestly don't think they give a shit about punishments for anything they do.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jan 21, 2015 10:17am
Yup, 11/12 balls just happened to magically be deflated after they passed the final inspection before kickoff. Just admit your team cheats and move on.Raw Dawgin' it;1698380 wrote:So say they find that no one tampered with the balls after the referee inspection - is there still a penalty to the Patriots for the referees making a mistake?
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Jan 21, 2015 10:26am
Ok they cheat. I'm not saying they're innocent. I'm saying, if they weren't tampered with after final inspection, then they clearly weren't inspected correctly, and who's fault is that? Until the penalty is forfeiting the game, i don't think there is any penalty that would change their mentality. They fine them? Suspend BB? Take away draft picks? I don't think they view that punishment as worse than the reward. Replace them in the SB with the Colts then and send a message then and see if they continue to break rules.like_that;1698391 wrote:Yup, 11/12 balls just happened to magically be deflated after they passed the final inspection before kickoff. Just admit your team cheats and move on.
wildcats20
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Jan 21, 2015 10:31am
That will NEVER happen.Raw Dawgin' it;1698393 wrote:Ok they cheat. I'm not saying they're innocent. I'm saying, if they weren't tampered with after final inspection, then they clearly weren't inspected correctly, and who's fault is that? Until the penalty is forfeiting the game, i don't think there is any penalty that would change their mentality. They fine them? Suspend BB? Take away draft picks? I don't think they view that punishment as worse than the reward. Replace them in the SB with the Colts then and send a message then and see if they continue to break rules.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jan 21, 2015 10:31am
If they take away the first round pick I think thy would care, especially considering their window of opportunity is closing with Brady getting older. They are going to need the picks.Raw Dawgin' it;1698393 wrote:Ok they cheat. I'm not saying they're innocent. I'm saying, if they weren't tampered with after final inspection, then they clearly weren't inspected correctly, and who's fault is that? Until the penalty is forfeiting the game, i don't think there is any penalty that would change their mentality. They fine them? Suspend BB? Take away draft picks? I don't think they view that punishment as worse than the reward. Replace them in the SB with the Colts then and send a message then and see if they continue to break rules.
Raw Dawgin' it
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Jan 21, 2015 10:34am
I know. I was just making a point that i think they trade any punishment for a chance to play for a title.wildcats20;1698394 wrote:That will NEVER happen.
Ironman92
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Jan 21, 2015 10:58am
I feel this is one of the dozens of things that athletes and coaches do across the board. I feel every advantage is looked at and athletes/coaches are continually finding ways to do this type of thing. Baseball, basketball and football...cheaters, rule breakers, rule benders in all facets from what they are allowed to put into their bodies to how can I docter up the baseball, steal signs, devise schemes that find holes in the rules, water down the base paths, deceive the refs/umps, humidor the balls.
I'm going to watch the Super Bowl and not care about any of this stuff. It's dumb and naive. I don't condone any of it. I would take their first 3 draft picks from them if the story keeps unfolding.
I'm going to watch the Super Bowl and not care about any of this stuff. It's dumb and naive. I don't condone any of it. I would take their first 3 draft picks from them if the story keeps unfolding.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Jan 21, 2015 11:17am
So they were saying this AM they were weighed at halftime....assuming they were then filled back to normal?
May have to root for Seattle.....
As a former QB I can say that yeah, under inflated balls are easier to throw no doubt about that. Now...how much they have to be under inflated to actually feel and notice a difference? That I dont know.
May have to root for Seattle.....
As a former QB I can say that yeah, under inflated balls are easier to throw no doubt about that. Now...how much they have to be under inflated to actually feel and notice a difference? That I dont know.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Jan 21, 2015 11:19am
I am not sure they really care a whole lot as the window is now. Losing the 31st or 32nd pick isnt a huge deal when you are needing to win NOW>like_that;1698395 wrote:If they take away the first round pick I think thy would care, especially considering their window of opportunity is closing with Brady getting older. They are going to need the picks.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Jan 21, 2015 12:08pm
If you suspend Josh Gordon for a borderline fail of a marijuana test, what's the penalty for on-field cheating?
The NFL should thoroughly investigate the affair in the off season and if it is shown that this is as it appears, then suspend Brady for at least 6 games next year...and Belichick for a year (since this is his second offense) Fine Kraft and take away a draft pick. Plus put the team on probation for 5 years, and if there are any more incidents Kraft should be forced to sell the team.
If Donald Sterling can lose his franchise over a surrepticiously recording of a private conversation, then most certainly the NFL has the power to remove an owner whose team continues to willfully cheat.
The NFL should thoroughly investigate the affair in the off season and if it is shown that this is as it appears, then suspend Brady for at least 6 games next year...and Belichick for a year (since this is his second offense) Fine Kraft and take away a draft pick. Plus put the team on probation for 5 years, and if there are any more incidents Kraft should be forced to sell the team.
If Donald Sterling can lose his franchise over a surrepticiously recording of a private conversation, then most certainly the NFL has the power to remove an owner whose team continues to willfully cheat.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Jan 21, 2015 12:13pm
We all know that was just an overreaction as anytime the N word is spewed from someone of power everyone goes overboard on punishment because if they done then it makes it seem they condone it.HitsRus;1698435 wrote:If you suspend Josh Gordon for a borderline fail of a marijuana test, what's the penalty for on-field cheating?
The NFL should thoroughly investigate the affair in the off season and if it is shown that this is as it appears, then suspend Brady for at least 6 games next year...and Belichick for a year (since this is his second offense) Fine Kraft and take away a draft pick. Plus put the team on probation for 5 years, and if there are any more incidents Kraft should be forced to sell the team.
If Donald Sterling can lose his franchise over a surrepticiously recording of a private conversation, then most certainly the NFL has the power to remove an owner whose team continues to willfully cheat.
NO way he should have been forced to get rid of his team. Fine him and whatever, and if blacks wanted to start boycotting signing with him then, well, that is within the rights and he eventually would have to get rid of it.
I think 1st round draft picks should be taken. Fines really mean nothing, but go ahead and fine them and that money go toward purchasing football inflators for HS football programs....ha
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jan 21, 2015 12:19pm
Would not be surprised to see Belichick get Sean Payton'd.
Will not be faux outraged either way.
Will not be faux outraged either way.
HitsRus
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Jan 21, 2015 12:25pm
Leagues need to take "integrity of the sport" issues seriously. I have no problem with a league removing an owner whose teams cheat. I definitely think Brady and Belichek should get a suspension, possibly others depending on who was complicit.