Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Aug 19, 2014 2:31pm
If the court system finds the Officer guilty of any wrong doing based on the facts and provided evidence of the situation, with the fear of retaliation then justice will not be serviced.pmoney25;1645687 wrote:These protesters only want justice if it fits their agenda. If the officer receives justice by being cleared, all hell will break loose.
You can't have justic based on violence ......
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Aug 19, 2014 3:01pm
Was it ever mention what weapon the Officer was carrying? I'm assuming this was a 9mm. Big individual to stop with a 9mm without the accuracy trained marksman.
This is a debate I have with friends at times, IMO police should carry weapons that will stop individuals .45 type, based on all data most shooting are within a 18 feet range or less. Would this situation have end different with a more powerful impacting round to the individual, bring him to his knees or knocking him back with one or two shots? Leaving the individual seriously wounded with wounds to the arm and chest? Just a thought.
This is a debate I have with friends at times, IMO police should carry weapons that will stop individuals .45 type, based on all data most shooting are within a 18 feet range or less. Would this situation have end different with a more powerful impacting round to the individual, bring him to his knees or knocking him back with one or two shots? Leaving the individual seriously wounded with wounds to the arm and chest? Just a thought.
TedSheckler
Posts: 3,974
Aug 19, 2014 3:08pm
It was a 9mm Glock.
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Aug 19, 2014 3:35pm
Belly35;1645778 wrote:Was it ever mention what weapon the Officer was carrying? I'm assuming this was a 9mm. Big individual to stop with a 9mm without the accuracy trained marksman.
This is a debate I have with friends at times, IMO police should carry weapons that will stop individuals .45 type, based on all data most shooting are within a 18 feet range or less. Would this situation have end different with a more powerful impacting round to the individual, bring him to his knees or knocking him back with one or two shots? Leaving the individual seriously wounded with wounds to the arm and chest? Just a thought.
But but in the movies....
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Aug 19, 2014 3:37pm
Howard Stern said his parents were on the today show this morning. Dafuq?ZWICK 4 PREZ;1645746 wrote:Parents aren't married and he lived with grandma. I'm sure that wasn't why he was the way he was. Never is.
Let's work on that issue and it will take care of the rest of them.
Also, saw that Trayvons mom is there protesting. Dafuq?
Without being able to use racism some people couldn't exist.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Aug 19, 2014 4:11pm
QuakerOats;1645744 wrote:http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/
The officer suffered an orbital blowout fracture to his eye socket during the encounter with the criminal.
Time for the left-wing race baiting pimps and media shills to go find another story.
And to think, if the criminal had been at work instead of robbing a store and assaulting a police officer, none of this would have happened.
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Aug 19, 2014 4:33pm
whoa, lets not take personal responsibility for our actions.QuakerOats;1645790 wrote:And to think, if the criminal had been at work instead of robbing a store and assaulting a police officer, none of this would have happened.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Aug 19, 2014 4:51pm
Mom & Dad both have misdemeanor records ranging from possession to restraining violations... But then again what adult Thugger doesn't?
CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Aug 19, 2014 5:02pm
Those people involved in those riots need to stop acting like jackasses on bath salts. I don't give a damn about them.
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HelloAgain
Posts: 537
Aug 19, 2014 5:16pm
I think I'd rather be shot and killed than be a gym teacher making 5 figures for my entire life.ccrunner609;1645807 wrote:All of this is making me feel better about my life.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Aug 19, 2014 6:13pm
Martin was shot by a citizen with a gun, not the cops. Totally different, yet people will mix the two. MB and Martin shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath.bases_loaded;1645784 wrote:Howard Stern said his parents were on the today show this morning. Dafuq?
Also, saw that Trayvons mom is there protesting. Dafuq?
Without being able to use racism some people couldn't exist.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Aug 19, 2014 7:09pm
But Zimmerman wanted to be a cop and played one in his neighborhood :RpS_w00t:Raw Dawgin' it;1645825 wrote:Martin was shot by a citizen with a gun, not the cops. Totally different, yet people will mix the two. MB and Martin shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath.
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KB0938
Posts: 900
Aug 19, 2014 7:44pm
Really?ZWICK 4 PREZ;1645746 wrote:Parents aren't married and he lived with grandma. I'm sure that wasn't why he was the way he was. Never is.
Let's work on that issue and it will take care of the rest of them.
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KB0938
Posts: 900
Aug 19, 2014 7:46pm
its not like he was 25-30 and unemployed. He was 18, I know plenty fo 18 year olds who arent working, or arent working full time. Thats a reach, a bad one lolQuakerOats;1645790 wrote:And to think, if the criminal had been at work instead of robbing a store and assaulting a police officer, none of this would have happened.
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KB0938
Posts: 900
Aug 19, 2014 7:52pm
Not saying this is what happened , and this is not what I believed happened. But if he were to of got shot the first time, he could of easily off of instinct put his arms up to try to protect himself. And ended up dropping down and thus the next bullet or two going through the top of his head. Its not likely thats what happened, but its possible. Which is why this proves nothing but which direction he was facing.sleeper;1645719 wrote:It "proves" a lot more than that as it sure as hell correlates directly with the officers account and eye witness accounts that occurred directly after the shooting before the narrative was generated.
Also, explain how a bullet enters the top of his head? Explain how the bullet holes entered the front of his arms and not the back/side like they do when you raise your hands in the air. Try raising your arms in the air and you'll quickly see the front of your arms are no longer facing forward. Pretty easy to see MB was charging the police officer and the 4 bullet wounds in his arm weren't enough to stop him so the officer kept shooting.
The more telling detail is the oribital fracture, which does in fact prove the scuffle occurred. And probably is how he got shot close range like you suggested.
iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Aug 19, 2014 8:03pm
Except that the blacks and the hippies blew both out of proportion, and both were proven, or are being proven, to be wrong. Neither accept personal responsibility for attacking someone, etc. The reaction in both cases are very similar.Raw Dawgin' it;1645825 wrote:Martin was shot by a citizen with a gun, not the cops. Totally different, yet people will mix the two. MB and Martin shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath.
Also, the majority of witnesses (not the thugs on tv) agree with the police officer's story. The running away narrative is laughable.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Aug 19, 2014 8:11pm
An equally plausible explanation is the shots to the head occurred because he was running toward the cop. Toxicology will be interesting, because the cop seems to think he was on something (which would explain the unbelievable charge at a cop shooting at him).KB0938;1645849 wrote:And ended up dropping down and thus the next bullet or two going through the top of his head. Its not likely thats what happened, but its possible.
Let's keep in mind the cop can discharge six rounds in just 1-2 seconds.
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KB0938
Posts: 900
Aug 19, 2014 8:17pm
And thats probably what happened. I dont disagreegut;1645856 wrote:An equally plausible explanation is the shots to the head occurred because he was running toward the cop. Toxicology will be interesting, because the cop seems to think he was on something (which would explain the unbelievable charge at a cop shooting at him).
Let's keep in mind the cop can discharge six rounds in just 1-2 seconds.
Just sayin where the shots landed dont mean without a doubt thats how it happened
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HelloAgain
Posts: 537
Aug 19, 2014 8:19pm
This is important. The story about charging a cop with a loaded weapon while being shot doesn't really jive if he wasn't on something.gut;1645856 wrote:Toxicology will be interesting, because the cop seems to think he was on something (which would explain the unbelievable charge at a cop shooting at him).
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Aug 19, 2014 8:31pm
I don't disagree. But if there are multiple witnesses with conflicting accounts (some of which affirm the cop's story) you'll never get a conviction from a jury.HelloAgain;1645862 wrote:This is important. The story about charging a cop with a loaded weapon while being shot doesn't really jive if he wasn't on something.
It's important to his career. He's probably done in this particular department, but if it's ruled a justified shooting he might find work somewhere else.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Aug 19, 2014 8:35pm
And the simplest explanation is cops aren't trained marksmen. A cop friend of mine said they only cert twice a year, said "you DO NOT want a cop pulling that movie hero bullshit if someone is using you as a shield".KB0938;1645860 wrote:And thats probably what happened. I dont disagree
Just sayin where the shots landed dont mean without a doubt thats how it happened
So not only is the "shoot him in the leg" comical and against training, most cops probably aren't capable of making that shot at any kind of range.
pmoney25
Posts: 1,787
Aug 19, 2014 8:57pm
So now another guy was shot this time he had a knife. Happened in St Louis. People now asking why cops don't use tasers instead of guns
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Aug 19, 2014 9:03pm
Delusional.KB0938;1645849 wrote:Not saying this is what happened , and this is not what I believed happened. But if he were to of got shot the first time, he could of easily off of instinct put his arms up to try to protect himself. And ended up dropping down and thus the next bullet or two going through the top of his head. Its not likely thats what happened, but its possible. Which is why this proves nothing but which direction he was facing.
The more telling detail is the oribital fracture, which does in fact prove the scuffle occurred. And probably is how he got shot close range like you suggested.
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KB0938
Posts: 900
Aug 19, 2014 9:04pm
From you,thats rich lolsleeper;1645879 wrote:Delusional.
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Aug 19, 2014 9:17pm
Don't charge at cops with knives and it's not an issue. (that's directed at them, not you) But I haven't given this much attention because the media (idiots) are just covering bigger idiots. Cops have to make split-second decisions and sometimes they're justified and sometimes they aren't. The simplest way to avoid being apart of that is to not be a criminal.pmoney25;1645878 wrote:So now another guy was shot this time he had a knife. Happened in St Louis. People now asking why cops don't use tasers instead of guns