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HelloAgain
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Aug 18, 2014 6:38pm
http://www.vox.com/2014/8/15/6005587/ferguson-satire-another-country-russia-china
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How would American media cover the news from Ferguson, Missouri, if it were happening in just about any other country? How would the world respond differently? Here, to borrow a great idea from Slate's Joshua Keating, is a satirical take on the story you might be reading if Ferguson were in, say, Iraq or Pakistan.
Reporters surround Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson (Scott Olson/Getty Images)
FERGUSON — Chinese and Russian officials are warning of a potential humanitarian crisis in the restive American province of Missouri, where ancient communal tensions have boiled over into full-blown violence.
"We must use all means at our disposal to end the violence and restore calm to the region," Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said in comments to an emergency United Nations Security Council session on the America crisis.
The crisis began a week ago in Ferguson, a remote Missouri village that has been a hotbed of sectarian tension. State security forces shot and killed an unarmed man, which regional analysts say has angered the local population by surfacing deep-seated sectarian grievances. Regime security forces cracked down brutally on largely peaceful protests, worsening the crisis.
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America has been roiled by political instability and protests in recent years, which analysts warn can create fertile ground for extremists.
Missouri, far-removed from the glistening capital city of Washington, is ostensibly ruled by a charismatic but troubled official named Jay Nixon, who has appeared unable to successfully intervene and has resisted efforts at mediation from central government officials. Complicating matters, President Obama is himself a member of the minority sect protesting in Ferguson, which is ruled overwhelmingly by members of America's majority "white people" sect.
Analysts who study the opaque American political system, in which all provinces are granted semi-autonomous self-rule, warned that Nixon may seize the opportunity to move against weakened municipal rulers in Ferguson. Missouri's provincial legislature, a traditional "shura council," is dominated by the opposition faction. Though fears of a military coup remain low, it is still unknown how Nixon's allies within the capital will respond should the crisis continue.
Now, international leaders say they fear the crisis could spread.
"The only lasting solution is reconciliation among American communities and stronger Missouri security forces," Chinese President Xi Jinping said in a speech from his vacation home in Hainan. "However, we can and should support moderate forces who can bring stability to America. So we will continue to pursue a broader strategy that empowers Americans to confront this crisis."
Xi's comments were widely taken as an indication that China would begin arming moderate factions in Missouri, in the hopes of overpowering rogue regime forces and preventing extremism from taking root. An unknown number of Kurdish peshmerga military "advisers" have traveled to the region to help provide security. Gun sales have been spiking in the US since the crisis began.
Analysts warn the violence could spread toward oil-producing regions such as Oklahoma or even disrupt the flow of American beer supplies, some of the largest in the world, and could provide a fertile breeding ground for extremists. Though al-Qaeda is not known to have yet established a foothold in Missouri, its leaders have previously hinted at assets there.
Though Missouri is infamous abroad for its simmering sectarian tensions and brutal regime crackdowns, foreign visitors here are greeted warmly and with hospitality. A lawless expanse of dogwood trees and beer breweries, Missouri is located in a central United States region that Americans refer to, curiously, as the "MidWest" though it is nearer to the country's east.
It is known among Americans as the home of Mark Twain, a provincial writer from the country's small but cherished literary culture, and as the originator of Budweiser, a traditional American alcoholic beverage. Budweiser itself is now owned by a Belgian firm, in a sign of how globalization is transforming even this remote area of the United States. Analysts say some american communities have struggled as globalization has pulled jobs into more developed countries, worsening instability here.
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Locals here eat a regional delicacy known as barbecue, made from the rib bones of pigs, and subsist on traditional crafts such as agriculture and aerospace engineering. The regional center of commerce is known locally as Saint Louis, named for a 13th century French king, a legacy of Missouri's history as a remote and violent corner of the French Empire.
Though Ferguson's streets remained quiet on Friday, a palpable sense of tension and uncertainty hung in the air. A Chinese Embassy official here declined to comment but urged all parties to exhibit restraint and respect for the rule of law. In Moscow, Kremlin planners were said to be preparing for a possible military intervention should political instability spread to the nearby oil-producing region of Texas.
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How would American media cover the news from Ferguson, Missouri, if it were happening in just about any other country? How would the world respond differently? Here, to borrow a great idea from Slate's Joshua Keating, is a satirical take on the story you might be reading if Ferguson were in, say, Iraq or Pakistan.
Reporters surround Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson (Scott Olson/Getty Images)
FERGUSON — Chinese and Russian officials are warning of a potential humanitarian crisis in the restive American province of Missouri, where ancient communal tensions have boiled over into full-blown violence.
"We must use all means at our disposal to end the violence and restore calm to the region," Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said in comments to an emergency United Nations Security Council session on the America crisis.
The crisis began a week ago in Ferguson, a remote Missouri village that has been a hotbed of sectarian tension. State security forces shot and killed an unarmed man, which regional analysts say has angered the local population by surfacing deep-seated sectarian grievances. Regime security forces cracked down brutally on largely peaceful protests, worsening the crisis.
<q aria-hidden="true" class="right" style="box-sizing: border-box; quotes: none; margin: 0px 0px 1em 0.8em; display: block; font-size: 1.9em; line-height: 1.25; text-transform: uppercase; color: rgb(89, 150, 173); padding: 0.8em 0px 0.5em; border-top-width: 5px; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(227, 229, 228); border-bottom-width: 5px; border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-color: rgb(227, 229, 228); width: 339.75px; float: right;">"WE CAN AND SHOULD SUPPORT MODERATE FORCES WHO CAN BRING STABILITY TO AMERICA"</q>
America has been roiled by political instability and protests in recent years, which analysts warn can create fertile ground for extremists.
Missouri, far-removed from the glistening capital city of Washington, is ostensibly ruled by a charismatic but troubled official named Jay Nixon, who has appeared unable to successfully intervene and has resisted efforts at mediation from central government officials. Complicating matters, President Obama is himself a member of the minority sect protesting in Ferguson, which is ruled overwhelmingly by members of America's majority "white people" sect.
Analysts who study the opaque American political system, in which all provinces are granted semi-autonomous self-rule, warned that Nixon may seize the opportunity to move against weakened municipal rulers in Ferguson. Missouri's provincial legislature, a traditional "shura council," is dominated by the opposition faction. Though fears of a military coup remain low, it is still unknown how Nixon's allies within the capital will respond should the crisis continue.
Now, international leaders say they fear the crisis could spread.
"The only lasting solution is reconciliation among American communities and stronger Missouri security forces," Chinese President Xi Jinping said in a speech from his vacation home in Hainan. "However, we can and should support moderate forces who can bring stability to America. So we will continue to pursue a broader strategy that empowers Americans to confront this crisis."
Xi's comments were widely taken as an indication that China would begin arming moderate factions in Missouri, in the hopes of overpowering rogue regime forces and preventing extremism from taking root. An unknown number of Kurdish peshmerga military "advisers" have traveled to the region to help provide security. Gun sales have been spiking in the US since the crisis began.
Analysts warn the violence could spread toward oil-producing regions such as Oklahoma or even disrupt the flow of American beer supplies, some of the largest in the world, and could provide a fertile breeding ground for extremists. Though al-Qaeda is not known to have yet established a foothold in Missouri, its leaders have previously hinted at assets there.
Though Missouri is infamous abroad for its simmering sectarian tensions and brutal regime crackdowns, foreign visitors here are greeted warmly and with hospitality. A lawless expanse of dogwood trees and beer breweries, Missouri is located in a central United States region that Americans refer to, curiously, as the "MidWest" though it is nearer to the country's east.
It is known among Americans as the home of Mark Twain, a provincial writer from the country's small but cherished literary culture, and as the originator of Budweiser, a traditional American alcoholic beverage. Budweiser itself is now owned by a Belgian firm, in a sign of how globalization is transforming even this remote area of the United States. Analysts say some american communities have struggled as globalization has pulled jobs into more developed countries, worsening instability here.
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Locals here eat a regional delicacy known as barbecue, made from the rib bones of pigs, and subsist on traditional crafts such as agriculture and aerospace engineering. The regional center of commerce is known locally as Saint Louis, named for a 13th century French king, a legacy of Missouri's history as a remote and violent corner of the French Empire.
Though Ferguson's streets remained quiet on Friday, a palpable sense of tension and uncertainty hung in the air. A Chinese Embassy official here declined to comment but urged all parties to exhibit restraint and respect for the rule of law. In Moscow, Kremlin planners were said to be preparing for a possible military intervention should political instability spread to the nearby oil-producing region of Texas.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Aug 18, 2014 6:39pm
tl, dr
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Aug 18, 2014 6:46pm
Once you've pulled your gun, you're not putting it away. And if a guy that could play OL is charging at you, you're going to shoot to protect yourself. Again, he shouldn't have gotten into an altercation to begin with and definitely shouldn't have charged after the cop. If he just listened in the first place, he'd be alive and most likely in cuff for robbing a store.derek bomar;1645341 wrote:Yea actually since he wasn't a) close enough yet to grab it again and b) unarmed... he had no right to shoot him. And I'd like to see the evidence of him trying to grab the gun. Every eye witness account (for what that's worth...) I've seen had the cop trying to grab MB into the cruiser and then MB running. Then MB turns around after being shot at, then gets lit up while saying don't shoot.
I am all for police safety and their right to defend themselves if they feel in any way threatened. And MB should have been arrested. That said, you can't just shoot people because they're running from you and you're pissed. Which is what I suspect happened.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Aug 18, 2014 7:26pm
@Haydenr41: @Josh_Hillabrand don't die in a fire douchebag.
This is what somebody tweeted me for backing the officer. For the people that don't know, I'm a firefighter.
This is what somebody tweeted me for backing the officer. For the people that don't know, I'm a firefighter.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Aug 18, 2014 7:47pm
Easy killer. I'm asking because I want all the details/facts if they exist. I'm not defending the kid.I thought it wasn't a sure thing he tried to grab his gun? If he did, then game on. If he didn't, I'm not sure I've seen enough to make me think he should have his weapon drawn to begin with. Just charging doesn't usually justify shooting someone, no matter how big they are.I haven't followed this that close, so I'm sure what is fact and what isn't.Glory Days;1645318 wrote:because the guy already attempted to grab the gun from the officer one time, should the cop let him get close enough to grab it again and then shoot.....oh wait, that makes sense. going for an officer's gun justifies deadly force. always has. because the cop already has his gun drawn after firing a shot inside the car. no cop is trained to fire, reholster, fire, reholster, fire etc etc. you shoot, stop the threat, scan the area for more threats, then when you deem it safe, you reholster. and like I typed above, the guy already tried to take the gun from the cop, there is no way in hell that cop is going to let him get close enough to try and take the gun again.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Aug 18, 2014 7:54pm
wutHelloAgain;1645346 wrote:http://www.vox.com/2014/8/15/6005587/ferguson-satire-another-country-russia-china
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How would American media cover the news from Ferguson, Missouri, if it were happening in just about any other country? How would the world respond differently? Here, to borrow a great idea from Slate's Joshua Keating, is a satirical take on the story you might be reading if Ferguson were in, say, Iraq or Pakistan.
Reporters surround Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson (Scott Olson/Getty Images)
FERGUSON — Chinese and Russian officials are warning of a potential humanitarian crisis in the restive American province of Missouri, where ancient communal tensions have boiled over into full-blown violence.
"We must use all means at our disposal to end the violence and restore calm to the region," Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said in comments to an emergency United Nations Security Council session on the America crisis.
The crisis began a week ago in Ferguson, a remote Missouri village that has been a hotbed of sectarian tension. State security forces shot and killed an unarmed man, which regional analysts say has angered the local population by surfacing deep-seated sectarian grievances. Regime security forces cracked down brutally on largely peaceful protests, worsening the crisis.
<q aria-hidden="true" class="right" style="box-sizing: border-box; quotes: none; margin: 0px 0px 1em 0.8em; display: block; font-size: 1.9em; line-height: 1.25; text-transform: uppercase; color: rgb(89, 150, 173); padding: 0.8em 0px 0.5em; border-top-width: 5px; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(227, 229, 228); border-bottom-width: 5px; border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-color: rgb(227, 229, 228); width: 339.75px; float: right;">"WE CAN AND SHOULD SUPPORT MODERATE FORCES WHO CAN BRING STABILITY TO AMERICA"</q>
America has been roiled by political instability and protests in recent years, which analysts warn can create fertile ground for extremists.
Missouri, far-removed from the glistening capital city of Washington, is ostensibly ruled by a charismatic but troubled official named Jay Nixon, who has appeared unable to successfully intervene and has resisted efforts at mediation from central government officials. Complicating matters, President Obama is himself a member of the minority sect protesting in Ferguson, which is ruled overwhelmingly by members of America's majority "white people" sect.
Analysts who study the opaque American political system, in which all provinces are granted semi-autonomous self-rule, warned that Nixon may seize the opportunity to move against weakened municipal rulers in Ferguson. Missouri's provincial legislature, a traditional "shura council," is dominated by the opposition faction. Though fears of a military coup remain low, it is still unknown how Nixon's allies within the capital will respond should the crisis continue.
Now, international leaders say they fear the crisis could spread.
"The only lasting solution is reconciliation among American communities and stronger Missouri security forces," Chinese President Xi Jinping said in a speech from his vacation home in Hainan. "However, we can and should support moderate forces who can bring stability to America. So we will continue to pursue a broader strategy that empowers Americans to confront this crisis."
Xi's comments were widely taken as an indication that China would begin arming moderate factions in Missouri, in the hopes of overpowering rogue regime forces and preventing extremism from taking root. An unknown number of Kurdish peshmerga military "advisers" have traveled to the region to help provide security. Gun sales have been spiking in the US since the crisis began.
Analysts warn the violence could spread toward oil-producing regions such as Oklahoma or even disrupt the flow of American beer supplies, some of the largest in the world, and could provide a fertile breeding ground for extremists. Though al-Qaeda is not known to have yet established a foothold in Missouri, its leaders have previously hinted at assets there.
Though Missouri is infamous abroad for its simmering sectarian tensions and brutal regime crackdowns, foreign visitors here are greeted warmly and with hospitality. A lawless expanse of dogwood trees and beer breweries, Missouri is located in a central United States region that Americans refer to, curiously, as the "MidWest" though it is nearer to the country's east.
It is known among Americans as the home of Mark Twain, a provincial writer from the country's small but cherished literary culture, and as the originator of Budweiser, a traditional American alcoholic beverage. Budweiser itself is now owned by a Belgian firm, in a sign of how globalization is transforming even this remote area of the United States. Analysts say some american communities have struggled as globalization has pulled jobs into more developed countries, worsening instability here.
<q aria-hidden="true" class="center" style="box-sizing: border-box; quotes: none; margin: 0px; display: block; font-size: 1.9em; line-height: 1.25; text-transform: uppercase; color: rgb(89, 150, 173); padding: 0.8em 0px 0.5em; border-top-width: 5px; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(227, 229, 228); border-bottom-width: 5px; border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-color: rgb(227, 229, 228);">VIOLENCE COULD SPREAD TO OIL-PRODUCING REGIONS SUCH AS OKLAHOMA OR EVEN DISRUPT THE FLOW OF AMERICAN BEER SUPPLIES</q>
Locals here eat a regional delicacy known as barbecue, made from the rib bones of pigs, and subsist on traditional crafts such as agriculture and aerospace engineering. The regional center of commerce is known locally as Saint Louis, named for a 13th century French king, a legacy of Missouri's history as a remote and violent corner of the French Empire.
Though Ferguson's streets remained quiet on Friday, a palpable sense of tension and uncertainty hung in the air. A Chinese Embassy official here declined to comment but urged all parties to exhibit restraint and respect for the rule of law. In Moscow, Kremlin planners were said to be preparing for a possible military intervention should political instability spread to the nearby oil-producing region of Texas.
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HelloAgain
Posts: 537
Aug 18, 2014 8:23pm
You do look like a douche if that makes any difference.shook_17;1645354 wrote:@Haydenr41: @Josh_Hillabrand don't die in a fire douchebag.
This is what somebody tweeted me for backing the officer. For the people that don't know, I'm a firefighter.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Aug 18, 2014 8:34pm
^^ LOL. Jealous, you must be an overweight loser. Id hate on the way I look too.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Aug 18, 2014 8:49pm
From the info given so far, I back the officer too.
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rydawg5
Posts: 2,639
Aug 18, 2014 8:54pm
Autopsy says he was AT LEAST shot 6 times.
Next time I get pulled over for speeding and am asked "how fast am I going?"
I will promptly say, "AT LEAST the speed limit"
Next time I get pulled over for speeding and am asked "how fast am I going?"
I will promptly say, "AT LEAST the speed limit"
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HelloAgain
Posts: 537
Aug 18, 2014 9:37pm
I like your graphic tank topshook_17;1645401 wrote:^^ LOL. Jealous, you must be an overweight loser. Id hate on the way I look too.
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HelloAgain
Posts: 537
Aug 18, 2014 9:41pm
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Aug 18, 2014 9:46pm
Lol did you have fun with that? How pathetic is your life? Don't be saving those pictures to jerk off too
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HelloAgain
Posts: 537
Aug 18, 2014 9:54pm
Can I get the number of one of your hot biddies instead?shook_17;1645467 wrote:Lol did you have fun with that? How pathetic is your life? Don't be saving those pictures to jerk off too
pmoney25
Posts: 1,787
Aug 18, 2014 10:01pm
The only crime I see is HelloAgain attempted murder of comedy.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Aug 18, 2014 10:02pm
Yeah that's kinda creepy HA
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Aug 18, 2014 10:18pm
Lol I'm not sure the point you are trying to make? Looking like a fool.
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rydawg5
Posts: 2,639
Aug 18, 2014 10:19pm
Probably poking fun at the avatar but not all the funny nonetheless.
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KB0938
Posts: 900
Aug 19, 2014 1:44am
So if he was fully retreating,running away after having reached for the weapon youd call this a justified shooting? Smh.ccrunner609;1645466 wrote:i was backing the officer from day 1 until evidence showed otherwise. In my world I really dont care if the guy got shot in the back when you reach in a police car and try to take his gun. I know one thing, you dont get gunned down if you dont fuck with a guy that has a gun.
Ifffff that were actually the case this would be open and shut,ruling going against the cop lol. A man running away from you unarmed is absolutely not a life threatening situation any longer.
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Aug 19, 2014 2:09am
my bad. most people just don't understand use of force in the real world and only get what they know from movies. and when I say use of force, I mean not only what the police department policy is, but what courts have upheld in cases all across the country.WebFire;1645358 wrote:Easy killer. I'm asking because I want all the details/facts if they exist. I'm not defending the kid.I thought it wasn't a sure thing he tried to grab his gun? If he did, then game on. If he didn't, I'm not sure I've seen enough to make me think he should have his weapon drawn to begin with. Just charging doesn't usually justify shooting someone, no matter how big they are.I haven't followed this that close, so I'm sure what is fact and what isn't.
The two key parts to this incident is if the guy tried taking the cops gun during the initial struggle and if he charged at the cop later when they were outside the vehicle. Being armed is not prerequisite to the use of deadly force. I have also heard unconfirmed reports that the guy was taunting the cop before he charged.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Aug 19, 2014 6:40am
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Aug 19, 2014 7:02am
Was he speed moon walking away? Hasn't it been proven that he was shot in the front?KB0938;1645563 wrote:So if he was fully retreating,running away after having reached for the weapon youd call this a justified shooting? Smh.
Ifffff that were actually the case this would be open and shut,ruling going against the cop lol. A man running away from you unarmed is absolutely not a life threatening situation any longer.
TedSheckler
Posts: 3,974
Aug 19, 2014 7:55am
Caller says she has the officer's side of the Ferguson shooting
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/18/us/missouri-teen-shooting/index.html
More Than a Dozen Witnesses Have Corroborated Officer Darren Wilson’s Version of Ferguson Shooting
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/18/report-more-than-a-dozen-witnesses-have-corroborated-officer-darren-wilsons-version-of-ferguson-shooting/
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/18/us/missouri-teen-shooting/index.html
More Than a Dozen Witnesses Have Corroborated Officer Darren Wilson’s Version of Ferguson Shooting
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/18/report-more-than-a-dozen-witnesses-have-corroborated-officer-darren-wilsons-version-of-ferguson-shooting/
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Aug 19, 2014 8:22am
TedSheckler;1645586 wrote:Caller says she has the officer's side of the Ferguson shooting
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/18/us/missouri-teen-shooting/index.html
More Than a Dozen Witnesses Have Corroborated Officer Darren Wilson’s Version of Ferguson Shooting
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/18/report-more-than-a-dozen-witnesses-have-corroborated-officer-darren-wilsons-version-of-ferguson-shooting/
This is why you don't waste a good opportunity to loot & riot waiting for the facts to come out.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Aug 19, 2014 8:39am
If that is what happened, he had every right to shoot. Too bad Michael, you lose.TedSheckler;1645586 wrote:Caller says she has the officer's side of the Ferguson shooting
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/18/us/missouri-teen-shooting/index.html
More Than a Dozen Witnesses Have Corroborated Officer Darren Wilson’s Version of Ferguson Shooting
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/18/report-more-than-a-dozen-witnesses-have-corroborated-officer-darren-wilsons-version-of-ferguson-shooting/