ccrunner609;1629851 wrote:yes he was but he still made some badass music

SportsAndLady;1629850 wrote:Michael Jackson is a child abuser and a creepy mother fucker, icon he is not.

SportsAndLady;1629850 wrote:Michael Jackson is a child abuser and a creepy mother fucker, icon he is not.

SportsAndLady;1629850 wrote:Michael Jackson is a child abuser and a creepy mother fucker, icon he is not.

Laley23;1629862 wrote:Musical icon, yes. Icon, idol or role model of life, no.

vball10set;1629867 wrote:I agree, and that's why I clarified my OP as "icons in the entertainment industry".

ccrunner609;1629851 wrote:yes he was but he still made some bad music

Ironman92;1629873 wrote:Had a 20+ year career therefore, he is HOF worthy.

sleeper;1629878 wrote:Don't really care for either. I think Jason Derulo is better than Jackson ever was; Jackson just has the first mover advantage.

vdubb96;1629886 wrote:uh....serious?

Laley23;1629894 wrote:Dont know if it is coincidental or on purpose that youve chosen Jason Derulo for this argument? The guy who is more obsessed with Michael Jackson than any other artist lol. He readily admits to copying, listening to him non stop and trying to be the dancer MJ was.

sleeper;1629895 wrote:Yeah and blowing out a team 50-0 in football isn't a stomp, it's a battle and the other team put up a good fight. Come on man, do you really buy that bullshit? Even if its true(its not), the reality is he's a lot better than Jackson.

Look at Lebron. He always says Jordan is his idol and he looks up to him, but the reality is Lebron is better than Jordan but good luck convincing nostalgic old people that their old shit isn't that great.

Laley23;1629899 wrote:What is there to not believe? He isnt prompted to have Michael Jackson on his playlists or told to emulate his dancing on stage or required to do a tribute to him (ok, maybe that on is being requested).

sleeper;1629895 wrote:Yeah and blowing out a team 50-0 in football isn't a stomp, it's a battle and the other team put up a good fight. Come on man, do you really buy that bullshit? Even if its true(its not), the reality is he's a lot better than Jackson.

Look at Lebron. He always says Jordan is his idol and he looks up to him, but the reality is Lebron is better than Jordan but good luck convincing nostalgic old people that their old shit isn't that great.

sleeper;1629901 wrote:Again, you are delusional. I don't feel like explaining it to you; its much more fun to let you bathe in your own ignorance.

vball10set;1629903 wrote:Any chance that Derulo and LBJ are better than MJ and MJ because of them??? I already know what your sarcastic answer will be, but humor me.

Laley23;1629904 wrote:lol, Im not even arguing one way or the other. Its music, it is 100% preferential. I just really found it kind of humorous that you picked the ONE guy who was extremely vocal about his love of MJ and style and everything. Dedicating entire shows to him and everything.

I honestly wasnt sure if it was purposeful or not.

sleeper;1629906 wrote:Hard to say but unlikely. This isn't a product. I mean I can see the argument of say the cell phone whereas the phones today are derived on incremental increases of technology from the initial product. I'm not sure how that translate into people. But LBJ and Derulo would be just as good now from natural talent than either MJ or MJ. I'm not sure why we have an obsession of Jackson's music; it doesn't seem that great and probably only exists as great from people unwilling to waste time trying to convince stupid people that the status quo is likely incorrect.

sleeper;1629891 wrote:It's like anything else. Coke is just sugar and water that realistically doesn't taste any better than later Coke like products; however people build up a taste for what they consider to be 'Coke' and value judge that something that isn't coke can't be better than the original thing. Jackson is no different. His music is only great because he was the first to introduce his style of music and thus people think his is the best. The reality is, people are predictably boring and/or stupid and never decide things on their own. I'd much rather listen to songs by Jason Derulo than anything Jackson produced and Derulo is a much better dancer than Jackson as well.