Belly35;1616647 wrote: It's simple until you can provide some indication you have something of a need to another business ... You're not needed and time is important

Actually it's mostly a combination of overworked HR staffs (which seems crazy, but they usually make the govt look efficient) and some BS legal liability and host of other BS reasons not to communicate with applicants.

When you've actually filled the position, it takes 0 effort for the system to send automated rejections to everyone else (most companies don't even do that). When you reject/pre-screen an applicant, a simple button push would send a rejection (almost no companies do this).

And those are PROFESSIONAL jobs. Some of those applications can take an hour to complete, not counting any research you've done and cover letter. And they don't have the courtesy to send you an automated rejection? Good thing you didn't hire me, because one of the first things I do is fire the worthless HR staff.

Anyway, all the horror stories you hear about HR and needing to go around them is true. Typically the dumbest people in a company - add no value and usually aren't making any decisions that matter.

queencitybuckeye;1616653 wrote:Words can hardly express the stupidity of this statement as a business philosophy. That someone is "unimportant" today in a business context may well change at some point in the future. Far smarter to try to treat everyone well.

you only cut and pasted part of my comment ... Why ...

If something changes then everyone who once was unimportant are happy to try to become more important .... Again..

DeyDurkie5;1616655 wrote:There have been plenty of idiots who have been successful.

really ... What about you?

Belly35;1616689 wrote:How's that energy/environment business of your moms doing? Does she need an idiot to help her?

Well my mom is a nurse, so I think she is just fine.

Belly35;1616702 wrote:really ... What about you?

I've never claimed to be successful and then in the same breath rip people using terrible grammar.

Situation in the OP is a real bitch move. I'd blacklist that guy for life.

I deal with way too many shoddy "business transactions", mostly with vendors with incompetent account reps.

Here's one that had me fuming recently. I distribute materials nationwide via a fulfillment house. First week of April I place an order for items to be in Arizona in a week. Everything goes through, order confirmed, blah blah. I go about my business and move on.

Last week, end user emails me pissed as fuck. The shipment still did not arrive. The fucking fulfillment house was out of the specific item, while the inventory showed we had several hundred in stock, even on that day I found out it never shipped. I send an email blowing the fuck up and coincidentally the inventory was then changed to zero.

Triple fail on the account rep. They didn't update the inventory, did not notify me that anything was out of stock, marked the shipment complete when nothing went out. My mind was blown. Basic responsibilities that were totally missed. So in the end I look like a jackass....nothing worse than someone making you look bad due to their incompetence. A quick, "we might have to take our business elsewhere" email fixed everything, but still a huge PITA.


/endrant.

gut;1616692 wrote:Actually it's mostly a combination of overworked HR staffs (which seems crazy, but they usually make the govt look efficient) and some BS legal liability and host of other BS reasons not to communicate with applicants.

When you've actually filled the position, it takes 0 effort for the system to send automated rejections to everyone else (most companies don't even do that). When you reject/pre-screen an applicant, a simple button push would send a rejection (almost no companies do this).

And those are PROFESSIONAL jobs. Some of those applications can take an hour to complete, not counting any research you've done and cover letter. And they don't have the courtesy to send you an automated rejection? Good thing you didn't hire me, because one of the first things I do is fire the worthless HR staff.

Anyway, all the horror stories you hear about HR and needing to go around them is true. Typically the dumbest people in a company - add no value and usually aren't making any decisions that matter.

Which is really stupid. HR should be a focus for any company that relies on good people (most of them).

I Wear Pants;1616716 wrote:Which is really stupid. HR should be a focus for any company that relies on good people (most of them).

You would think. But when they get hundreds of apps for a job, even an idiot will find half a dozen good candidates for the hiring manager despite passing over a dozen better candidates. That's why experts tell you to make sure your resume and cover letter (and that one is debatable in many situations) CLEARLY meets all the criteria for the job. There's also been a trend toward computer searches to filter resumes, so in some cases no one ever reads that resume you submitted.

Also, this is why most companies engage executive search firms to fill senior manager positions and above. In staff positions, the best candidate usually doesn't add all that much value over someone who is simply competent.

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1616560 wrote: The most interesting part is that I will more than likely see him on a monthly basis at local events. My company is very active in community events and he is the head of a county association for professionals in the industry.

Consider yourself fortunate. Not someone you want to do business with, much less partner with.

gut;1616721 wrote:You would think. But when they get hundreds of apps for a job, even an idiot will find half a dozen good candidates for the hiring manager despite passing over a dozen better candidates. That's why experts tell you to make sure your resume and cover letter (and that one is debatable in many situations) CLEARLY meets all the criteria for the job. There's also been a trend toward computer searches to filter resumes, so in some cases no one ever reads that resume you submitted.

Also, this is why most companies engage executive search firms to fill senior manager positions and above. In staff positions, the best candidate usually doesn't add all that much value over someone who is simply competent.

Yea, HR has to be one of the dumbest functions companies have. I applied to numerous jobs recently that I was way overqualified for and was willing to take basically a lateral pay move (I was in an industry that pays less for the "experience" you get). Anyway, I could barely get a call back from these companies with terrible reviews on glassdoor from their own employees. Once I wised up and contacted some old friends in the area for a highly rated finance recruiter, was when I finally got my resume in front of actual decision makers and got a job. If I were a large company right now I would fire everyone in HR except the coordinator and a staff and use internal employees for referrals for crap jobs and recruiters for all the others. It's a no brainer.

iclfan2;1616786 wrote:If I were a large company right now I would fire everyone in HR except the coordinator and a staff and use internal employees for referrals for crap jobs and recruiters for all the others. It's a no brainer.

Yeah, I don't get it, either. Granted, most jobs get filled thru networking before it's even posted, much less farmed out to a recruiter. But I wouldn't trust HR to even filter a list of candidates reporting to me.

A big part of the problem is probably lazy/uninformed managers that don't know better. If you give HR a long list of requirements and preferences, they are going to try to decipher resumes to fill out a checklist. If you're expecting HR to give you 5 names to interview you are doing it wrong, very wrong.

Sorry, but after a while I just thought about Lloyd Christmas being stood up.

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1616589 wrote:However, if that is the manner in which he conducts his business, I'm not sure I want him as a partner.

My thoughts on this subject.

OP's situation sucks. Happens to me from time to time. I usually just get drunk at the restaurant.

I had a very annoying experience lately. I was approached by anther company for a position that would be considered a big raise for me.

I took the interview and it went really well. At the end of the interview, the guy kept telling me how he prides himself on calling everyone back no matter if they got the job or not. I thought that was kind and though I've never been in the situation where a company I interviewed for just completely ignores me after I don't get the job, I understand how frustrating it can be.

Well the guy never calls me.

Which normally I get it, it basically has become the norm. But to reach out to me about the job then during the interview continuously bring up the fact that he doesn't do that, and then do it? Lol amateur hour.

Funny enough, he called me yesterday and made some excuse how he got there and waited for 15 minutes and never saw me and that was all the time he had. However, I call bull as I got there 15 minutes early and waited inside the door for 45 minutes. Whatever, not like I need him, just always looking for opportunities. Obviously, he's not one lol

Ironman92;1616800 wrote:Sorry, but after a while I just thought about Lloyd Christmas being stood up.

I just figured she was a raging alcoholic!!!

...Right now I'm sittining at my desk waiting for one of my vendors to show up for our 1PM meeting. No call to say I'm running late, no call to say he's not going to show up today & I've pushed off my lunch just to be here to meet a guy who wants our business. I'm pretty sure I'll leave him in the lobby for 30 mins if he does show up and then tell him I'm too busy to see him today.

The worst I had was about 6 months ago. I meet my client for lunch. He chooses a place he is a regular at. Well I arrive early and get a table. When he shows up he suggests we move to another table so we could have his normal waitress. He then spends our whole meeting hitting on the waitress and asking her what she's going to do to reward him for all the good tips he leaves her. The worst part is he isnt joking he is saying it in like the most creepy way possible and the waitress is just looking like she wants to be anywhere but where she is at that moment. When were done eating he says since we didn't have time to discuss his issue if I would be willing to meet up with him and his WIFE for dinner that might to discuss our business. I told him I had plans and have since pushed his account onto another coworker.

TLR ask me out to lunch. Hits on his usual waitress in creepy way entire meal. Asks waitress for sexual favors for his tips. Then asks me to dinner with him and his wife because we never got to discuss business.

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1616548 wrote:What's the worst business transaction you've been a part of? Not that this is unheard of, but none-the-less it was disappointing...

I scheduled lunch with a contact I have known for 25+ years. Recently, I joined an industry where we could become mutually beneficial partners, and I had hoped to catch up with each other as well as discuss ways that we could work together. This gentleman is somewhat of a well-known businessman in the area, so it took a few tries to track him down and get something on the books. Finally, he returned my call and we set up a lunch meeting. The day comes, and I'm waiting, waiting, waiting at the restaurant. After about 15 minutes, I called his office and cell phone and left messages, just wanting to confirm that we were still on for lunch or if he had something come up and needed to cancel. After about a half hour, I just ordered, ate, and left. It's been a week now, still no call to apologize, give and excuse, etc. Pretty disappointing in my opinion. Not that I need his business, but simply the lack of respect for me and my time. I've experienced similar scenarios before, but never with someone that I've known for so long.

Thoughts on this scenario? Also, curious to hear some of your most disappointing business transactions.

This should have been your first clue.

Scarlet_Buckeye;1617174 wrote:This should have been your first clue.

No, it shouldn't have. A well-known business man is going to be hard to get a hold of.

dlazz;1617201 wrote:No, it shouldn't have. A well-known business man is going to be hard to get a hold of.

You missed the point. If the guy really wanted to meet with you/whoever, he would find the time... no matter how "well-known" someone may be.

Scarlet_Buckeye;1617375 wrote:You missed the point. If the guy really wanted to meet with you/whoever, he would find the time... no matter how "well-known" someone may be.

The actual point is he can choose to meet or not meet as he chooses, but standing someone up shows a lack of integrity no matter how "important" he thinks he is.

This just in, from the office of redundancy and repetition:

queencitybuckeye;1617402 wrote:The actual point is he can choose to meet or not meet as he chooses...

After all, it's his choice to choose from his choices!

JD413;1617410 wrote:This just in, from the office of redundancy and repetition:



After all, it's his choice to choose from his choices!

Shit.

JD413;1617410 wrote:This just in, from the office of redundancy and repetition:



After all, it's his choice to choose from his choices!

But if you don't choose to choose from your choices, you still have made a choice!

And there's my experiment with making Rush lyrics more cumbersome.

Belly35;1616580 wrote:You think you're important ... Unless you have more to offer than the next guy you're just a "time slot" easy made and easier to be broken... Get over it
Now do something that going to impress this guy if you want his business.... He will keep that lunch date.

If the OP's contact showed no interest in meeting up from the beginning, that'd be different and no big deal. But he actually established a date and time to meet, then didn't, and hasn't reached out since. I'm pretty sure that's rude and inconsiderate across the board.

Perhaps offline you really are as wise and successful as you say you are, but I have a difficult time believing that when you're consistently the crazy, weird, out-of-touch guy here. Not to mention you're usually as comprehensible as a retarded middle school student while you lecture everyone else.