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May 2, 2014 11:16 AM
HitsRus;1611934 wrote:Merriam Webster...



Don't get me wrong, Sterling may be a racist....I'm arguing that the word is overused to the point where it is overapplied.
That definition was hard for me to comprehend. To early lol.

But, isnt that saying what I said? Racism is the though being ingrained in your mind? Maybe what he said wasnt enough to convince you he is racist. But, for me, and many others, it was. Especially when coupled with everything else the man has done in his lifetime.

Discrimination was not done in this instance, unless he actively DID keep minorities from attending his games and we dont know. He did discriminate racially on his practices regarding his properties.

The difference is racism is not necessarily an action. It can be a thought, or words, or whatever. So it is easier for us to say he is racist than for you to say he is not. On the flip side, discrimination is an action taken. So, you would be correct in this instance, but he has actively discriminated before.
May 2, 2014 11:16am
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May 2, 2014 11:18 AM
You mean as in running your rental properties in such a way that you've had to pay out immense sums of money due to having discriminatory rental practices against minorities?
I think that's fair and the most damning evidence. Comments said in private without action is a different story. If it were only the comments or a random use of the 'N" word...I don't think that is enough to apply the label
May 2, 2014 11:18am
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May 2, 2014 11:24 AM
in my mind he is the purest definition of a racist if i ever saw one. when i use the word that is exactly the type of person that im thinking of. i usually grew up saying prejudiced but i think racist fits here. thats my definition everyone has to make their own. when you are saying no pics with blacks, but maybe its ok for matt kemp cause hes lighter skinned and you say dont bring blacks to the games and such i feel that you really see blacks as inferior and a lower class. this is how a see a racist. it could apply for any race.
May 2, 2014 11:24am
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May 2, 2014 11:24 AM
HitsRus;1611934 wrote:Merriam Webster...



Don't get me wrong, Sterling may be a racist....I'm arguing that the word is overused to the point where it is overapplied.
Yet nothing in the definition you posted indicates that some action is required for someone to be a racist. Words are plenty, and his words certainly are not in conflict with the definition provided (not that his prior actions of years past don't confirm his status).

If one says "I hate n______" and is serious, that person is a racist. He need not purchase a robe and hood, nor actively discriminate against anyone in any way.
May 2, 2014 11:24am
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May 2, 2014 11:37 AM
Adam Silver has now given Donald Sterling a lifetime ban and cancer. Back the fuck off now, man. You've punished him enough.

As far as the sale of the team goes, many legal experts are of the growing belief that, because ownership of team is held in a family trust, the NBA might have a more difficult time forcing Sterling to sell, especially if he or his wife files for divorce and the team then falls under the jurisdiction of a California family court. Breach of contract for forcing a sale because of personal beliefs and violations of anti-trust laws for a forced sale that could result in a lower than market value for the team have also been cited as potential courses of action for Sterling. The NBA certainly isn't going to convince Sterling to sell without the force of law.

Money quote in USA Today:
Like a movie villain who jumps back to life in the final scene, Donald Sterling might have one last act of horror in store for the NBA.
It's a nightmare scenario for the Los Angeles Clippers
Awesome.
May 2, 2014 11:37am
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May 2, 2014 11:40 AM
If one says "I hate n______" and is serious, that person is a racist. He need not purchase a robe and hood, nor actively discriminate against anyone in any way.
I am not sure I agree with that...to use your analogy....I am not a murderer until I kill or attempt to kill someone.

They key word for me in that definition is transcended.
May 2, 2014 11:40am
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May 2, 2014 11:41 AM
and further hes the worst type of racist because a real racist wouldnt do business with blacks. but hes ok to make money off them, all while not thinking they are good enough to even assoc. with his side chick let alone his wife. to top it off she aint even white.
May 2, 2014 11:41am
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May 2, 2014 11:42 AM
HitsRus;1611949 wrote:I am not sure I agree with that...to use your analogy....I am not a murderer until I kill or attempt to kill someone.

They key word for me in that definition is transcended.
OTOH, if you say "I'm going to kill John Doe", you have quite possibly committed a crime.
May 2, 2014 11:42am
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May 2, 2014 11:43 AM
Gblock;1611950 wrote:and further hes the worst type of racist because a real racist wouldnt do business with blacks. but hes ok to make money off them, all while not thinking they are good enough to even assoc. with his side chick let alone his wife. to top it off she aint even white.
The only thing he cares more about than his hatred is his love of self.
May 2, 2014 11:43am
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May 2, 2014 12:05 PM
OTOH, if you say "I'm going to kill John Doe", you have quite possibly committed a crime.
but I still am not a murderer.
May 2, 2014 12:05pm
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May 2, 2014 12:08 PM
HitsRus;1611961 wrote:but I still am not a murderer.
Correct, you are a criminal, which is a closer fit when compared to racist, IMO. Murderer would imply action, which is not needed.
May 2, 2014 12:08pm
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May 2, 2014 12:14 PM
On topic, but an unrelated note, where have people seen the notion that the NBA has been treading carefully with Sterling because of a fear of litigation like he was Clarence Darrow or someone? My understanding is he was a personal injury attorney, and for all I know a good one, but his real money came from real estate. It's not like he was involved with any kind of landmark legal decision, AFAIK.
May 2, 2014 12:14pm
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May 2, 2014 12:15 PM
^^^by the way...this whole argument is turning stupid. You have convinced me that Sterling is a racist....but I'm not going to buy that anyone who has a racist thought or used a 'insensitive' term is automatically labelled a racist.
May 2, 2014 12:15pm
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May 2, 2014 12:21 PM
queencitybuckeye;1611967 wrote:On topic, but an unrelated note, where have people seen the notion that the NBA has been treading carefully with Sterling because of a fear of litigation like he was Clarence Darrow or someone? My understanding is he was a personal injury attorney, and for all I know a good one, but his real money came from real estate. It's not like he was involved with any kind of landmark legal decision, AFAIK.
The main place I've seen that are a lot of columns on Grantland, Deadspin, etc. I think, from what I inferred, it was less over the "he'll beat us if we go against him" fear and more the fear of having a Pete Rozelle-Al Davis sort of thing happen, where the really rich owner who DGAF will put his money and energy in keeping things tied up in court, forcing the league into this long period of litigation in a "who blinks first" sort of deal.
May 2, 2014 12:21pm
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May 2, 2014 12:30 PM
HitsRus;1611968 wrote:^^^by the way...this whole argument is turning stupid. You have convinced me that Sterling is a racist....but I'm not going to buy that anyone who has a racist thought or used a 'insensitive' term is automatically labelled a racist.
I agree with that. For me, Sterling went above and beyond a long time before anything from the past week or so happened and this past incident was more a "leopard can't change his spots" deal than anything else.

Which makes it the weird sort of situation where this incident probably got blown way out of proportion, but that becomes sort of karmic justice due to how previous incidents really had no real publicity other than court cases and paying of fines. With the added humor that, from what I've read on Deadspin, other bizarre incidents involving Sterling from the past wound up being ax'd by magazines like SI because, in print, they came off as too over-the-top and cartoonish to be for real. The one I read about that got ax'd from SI was just weird, as opposed to prejudiced in any way. He had Danny Manning and his agent over at his mansion to go over contract terms after they drafted Manning. He was dressed in his robe with nothing under it for the meeting. His son came home in trouble for skipping school at his Jewish seminary. Sterling ordered his son upstairs, followed him and Manning and his agent then heard the sounds of a loud belt whipping going down. Which apparently did the trick as far as getting the agent to run upstairs to sign the deal so they could get the hell out of that place.
May 2, 2014 12:30pm
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May 2, 2014 1:28 PM
queencitybuckeye;1611943 wrote:If one says "I hate n______" and is serious, that person is a racist. He need not purchase a robe and hood, nor actively discriminate against anyone in any way.

Not so fast. If one makes that statement and it is made against all blacks and it is made solely because of the color of their skin, then yes; sounds like a racist. However, if one makes that statement (in an exaggerated sense, obviously) and it is based solely on observations of behavior such as, their neighborhood is constantly being shot up by young black males, or because their neighborhood has been overrun by black male drug dealers, or because a disproportionate amount of blacks are abusing welfare, or because a disproportionate amount of voter fraud is emanating from black urban areas, then it would not necessarily be racist, rather it would be a dislike based on illegal, illicit, and/or improper behavior.

Yes, there are old-timers out there who may simply dislike people because of the color of their skin, but I think today when people make a blanket-type statement, such as the one you noted, it stems from a dislike of the behavior of some of the people in that particular 'group'. This then would be more of an issue of stereotyping, than quote/unquote, racism.
May 2, 2014 1:28pm
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May 2, 2014 2:05 PM
HitsRus;1611968 wrote:^^^by the way...this whole argument is turning stupid. You have convinced me that Sterling is a racist....but I'm not going to buy that anyone who has a racist thought or used a 'insensitive' term is automatically labelled a racist.
I agree with this.

BUT, action does not need to be taken to be a racist. In some cases, someone with a racist thought or insensitive term WOULD be an actual racist.

Which is all I, and I think QCB, is trying to say.
May 2, 2014 2:05pm
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May 2, 2014 3:14 PM
QuakerOats;1611994 wrote:Not so fast. If one makes that statement and it is made against all blacks and it is made solely because of the color of their skin, then yes; sounds like a racist. However, if one makes that statement (in an exaggerated sense, obviously) and it is based solely on observations of behavior such as, their neighborhood is constantly being shot up by young black males, or because their neighborhood has been overrun by black male drug dealers, or because a disproportionate amount of blacks are abusing welfare, or because a disproportionate amount of voter fraud is emanating from black urban areas, then it would not necessarily be racist, rather it would be a dislike based on illegal, illicit, and/or improper behavior.

Yes, there are old-timers out there who may simply dislike people because of the color of their skin, but I think today when people make a blanket-type statement, such as the one you noted, it stems from a dislike of the behavior of some of the people in that particular 'group'. This then would be more of an issue of stereotyping, than quote/unquote, racism.

imo opinion the black people vs. ni$$ers argument is the worst. if that is what you re saying
May 2, 2014 3:14pm
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May 2, 2014 3:19 PM
I don't think that is what I'm saying. I am talking about the difference between disliking people because of the color of their skin, versus disliking people because of certain of their behaviors/actions.
May 2, 2014 3:19pm
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May 2, 2014 3:28 PM
Laley23;1612002 wrote: BUT, action does not need to be taken to be a racist.
I would tend to distinguish prejudice from bigotry from racism. You're not a victim or harmed by what someone thinks. You can't be a victim of racism until someone takes an action against your interest out of prejudice or bigotry.

In Sterling's case he has an actual history of racism. But these particular comments are bigoted, not racist.
May 2, 2014 3:28pm
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May 2, 2014 5:03 PM
Housing discrimination and his wife going around pretending that she is working for the housing authority and checking ethnicities kinds of sums it all up .
May 2, 2014 5:03pm
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May 2, 2014 9:57 PM
That gold digging bitch is on 20/20 right now...what a skank
May 2, 2014 9:57pm
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May 2, 2014 10:02 PM
vball10set;1612122 wrote:That gold digging bitch is on 20/20 right now...what a skank
damn missed it. That bitch needs to know what it's like to be homeless and broke
May 2, 2014 10:02pm
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May 2, 2014 10:27 PM
Sterling is definitely an OG.

His first real public comment being reported is not that he's sorry for anything, but that he wishes he had just payed her off to keep her quiet.
May 2, 2014 10:27pm