CCRolly;1661680 wrote:Will you at least promise to have the balls to show up on here when the next head coach isn't winning because of the talent level also?

Reps Rolly...but I think we know that will never happen. Some times you wish they would bring in a new one just to show people how ignorant they really are. What's the saying??..."the grass isn't always greener..."

CCRolly;1661682 wrote:Agree that the OCC is done. Was praying that Wooster officials would at least apply or show some interest in the Suburban League.

In regards to the OCC...I just can't see the D2 and D3 teams in the league wanting to play Clear Fork and Orrville anymore with the current state of their programs. You can throw Lex into that group as well. I can't imagine another league in the entire state having the disparity in the size of schools from top to bottom either.

Pit...I agree. Those leagues you mentioned will shake things up, but Orrville needs them to shake things up sooner rather than later.

Old Rider;1661691 wrote:In regards to the OCC...I just can't see the D2 and D3 teams in the league wanting to play Clear Fork and Orrville anymore with the current state of their programs. You can throw Lex into that group as well. I can't imagine another league in the entire state having the disparity in the size of schools from top to bottom either.

Pit...I agree. Those leagues you mentioned will shake things up, but Orrville needs them to shake things up sooner rather than later.

Probably would need a full time AD to get his hands dirty...pretty sure you won't get that.

The passion and vigor displayed on this thread for Orrville football tells me "it will work out'. Red Rider Nation, you are passionate and that can't be argued. Sounds like a shake up could happen within the conferences around us and that could be a good thing for a few reasons. The coaches I have talked with understand the tradition involved with being a Red Rider. I believe many of them are as frustrated as many fans are. Our coaches are products of the Orrville system that raised most of us arguing on this thread, and I for one wouldn't have it any other way. I do believe EVERYTHING is just going to be harder, getting kids to play, communicating to kids today is so different. I was at my son's flag football game last weekend and heard these parents arguing about their kids and the amount of "video game time" they argue over? one of the men looked at me and said "man how do you deal with kids and the TV time"? I didn't know what to say...... We don't even have a gaming system in my home? I told them that and they immediately dismissed me from the conversation... I am not sure where I was going with that but I am just astounded at some of the things I hear. But the Orrville thing WILL right itself. I believe there are too many people involved who care and understand what RTR means. There are a lot of reasons why things are not that good in the Ville but they will get better fellas, have faith!

rrfan;1661661 wrote:So once again you are the only smart one in the room but you don't want to share...shocking!

Do you want to blow up the entire coaching staff or just the head coach?

most of the staff-not all!

I could coach that team! Discipline baby it's all about discipline. I would put football back on the map in Orrville. I'm just waiting on the call! 330-605-6038. The first person I would call to help me out is Coach Mac. I see him roaming the sidelines at Orrville frequently. I know the X's and O's of the game-I would work side by side with the AD to get us as an independent again. It works for Canton central catholic it could work for us!! Think I'm crazy? I am but I sure would have the most disciplined team on the field every Friday night. Give me 15 kids that wanna play and the ones that don't can beat it but practices would be intense, condition until you throw up, can't handle it?? Then beat it! I would have bring on a great strength and conditioning coach, give me the Haley brothers, Coach Mac, Tyrone and anyone else who is dedicated and we turn it around. We won't win anytime soon in the OCC but we WILL play until the clock hits 00:00

I would like to see Mac back on staff as well. He has been to every game for several years now. Actually, he has been up in the coaches box more recently. The only issue you may have with putting two head coaches with "head coaching mentality" on the same staff...could cause some head butting! A couple other guys I would like to see back on staff to give a hand is Dave Vodika and Eric Baisden (both were the offensive gurus during our run with the younger Zwick). All of those guys would be nice to have back, but it still wouldn't equate to wins with these kids in the OCC!

Red Rider Nation;1661835 wrote:most of the staff-not all!

I could coach that team! Discipline baby it's all about discipline. I would put football back on the map in Orrville. I'm just waiting on the call! 330-605-6038. The first person I would call to help me out is Coach Mac. I see him roaming the sidelines at Orrville frequently. I know the X's and O's of the game-I would work side by side with the AD to get us as an independent again. It works for Canton central catholic it could work for us!! Think I'm crazy? I am but I sure would have the most disciplined team on the field every Friday night. Give me 15 kids that wanna play and the ones that don't can beat it but practices would be intense, condition until you throw up, can't handle it?? Then beat it! I would have bring on a great strength and conditioning coach, give me the Haley brothers, Coach Mac, Tyrone and anyone else who is dedicated and we turn it around. We won't win anytime soon in the OCC but we WILL play until the clock hits 00:00

So you would be disciplined and not win? Great...so not much would change and you admit that you would not win either....

You don't have an AD that would fight for that and you know it. So mark that down as needing a new AD too. I would actually agree with you on that because I too think a new AD is needed.

Coach Mac, and Vodika could be good additions. Let not forget that Mac had some of the most talented teams in Orrville history and only came away with one championship. I don't say that as a negative but as something to show how hard it is to win it all.

WH 8th grade defeated Orrville last night 50-8. Not sure on the 7th grade game from Tuesday.

Orr 7th graders beat WH on Tuesday 30-14

rrfan;1661926 wrote:...Coach Mac, and Vodika could be good additions. Let not forget that Mac had some of the most talented teams in Orrville history and only came away with one championship. I don't say that as a negative but as something to show how hard it is to win it all.

Mo had arguably some of the most talented teams in Orrville history and NEVER won a championship...again, it shows how hard it is to win one.

However, in Mo's defense...those were the days when it was A and AA and they only took a few teams from each region. It was WAY harder to make the playoffs in those days, but we were there almost every year!! Those were truly the glory days of Orrville football!! Sadly, this generation of parents and their children in Orrville schools have no clue about those teams.

Old Rider;1661944 wrote:Mo had arguably some of the most talented teams in Orrville history and NEVER won a championship...again, it shows how hard it is to win one.

However, in Mo's defense...those were the days when it was A and AA and they only took a few teams from each region. It was WAY harder to make the playoffs in those days, but we were there almost every year!! Those were truly the glory days of Orrville football!! Sadly, this generation of parents and their children in Orrville schools have no clue about those teams.

Old Rider today we just slap a blue ribbon on everybody and don't keep score at the boys club...things are flat out weird now.

Herd in the news yesterday (in another state) a girl fell off a swing set. There is now a push to outlaw swings. We live in a knee jerk reaction world now where common sense does not seem to exist.

rrfan;1661926 wrote:So you would be disciplined and not win? Great...so not much would change and you admit that you would not win either....

You don't have an AD that would fight for that and you know it. So mark that down as needing a new AD too. I would actually agree with you on that because I too think a new AD is needed.

Coach Mac, and Vodika could be good additions. Let not forget that Mac had some of the most talented teams in Orrville history and only came away with one championship. I don't say that as a negative but as something to show how hard it is to win it all.

This current team is not disciplined and definitely not well coached. Last Friday boys were running around aimlessly with no blocking. YES discipline in OUR new program! I would have a pre-season meeting and tell boys the expectations. Don't wanna play?? Beat it!!! OUR team will practice harder than any Orrville team has ever practiced and win or lose on Friday night WE will give it 110% until the clock hits zero. Scrap the AD too then WE need someone who supports OUR mission and that is to bring the swagger back in RTR! OUR team will be better in Week 10 than Week 1 period! If that's 5-5 then it is.

Part of the problem with discipline is it's hard to maintain when you're getting beat up. What did Mike Tyson say? Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face? I think that's what happened last week. There just aren't the athletes to compete. Frustration boils over. Same might happen tonight, as Ashland is a talented squad. And they're unusually good on defense. Their offense is their weakness this year. But the next two weeks are Madison and Clear Fork, both winnable games if the kids don't quit on the season.

Red Rider Nation;1662145 wrote:This current team is not disciplined and definitely not well coached. Last Friday boys were running around aimlessly with no blocking. YES discipline in OUR new program! I would have a pre-season meeting and tell boys the expectations. Don't wanna play?? Beat it!!! OUR team will practice harder than any Orrville team has ever practiced and win or lose on Friday night WE will give it 110% until the clock hits zero. Scrap the AD too then WE need someone who supports OUR mission and that is to bring the swagger back in RTR! OUR team will be better in Week 10 than Week 1 period! If that's 5-5 then it is.

That all sounds good...I would also bet that most of that has been said 100's of times this year already. I guess I would question what the discipline problem is right now on the team? This is not a team that gets many personal fouls (for example some of Mac's teams had this problem). If you are saying missed assignments is the discipline problem I will listen to that. However, when you are out manned and have kids playing out of position in order to get the best you have (which is not enough)on the field I think that is a problem you will see.

What I have not seen is this team giving up. You say you want them to give 110% (not really possible since 100% is all you have) when have they not....how do you know? What if all they have is the scores that you have seen this year? I have not seen this team quit this year.

Red Rider Nation;1662145 wrote:Scrap the AD too then WE need someone who supports OUR mission and that is to bring the swagger back in RTR!

That's not any AD's job anywhere.

His job is to make sure every sport has a full schedule...that the buses for away games are scheduled..that there are referees scheduled...that when we bring in an urban team in week 1 that they are fed after the game.

Kent puts in an 18 hour day on days of home football games...and makes sure everything is set up for a cross country invite or a volleyball invite...or a youth basketball event...and then goes and coaches his tennis teams.

He truly is under appreciated. For what he's paid as an AD (a stipend)..you won't find many willing to put in the the time he does.

I want the swagger back too....but it doesn't fall on the AD.

We are getting off track. All we want to hear is more RRN fixing everything...You area a joke RRN you want to fire the current coaching staff for not winning and then turn right around and say if you had it your way you may not win either.

RedRider1;1662267 wrote:That's not any AD's job anywhere.

His job is to make sure every sport has a full schedule...that the buses for away games are scheduled..that there are referees scheduled...that when we bring in an urban team in week 1 that they are fed after the game.

Kent puts in an 18 hour day on days of home football games...and makes sure everything is set up for a cross country invite or a volleyball invite...or a youth basketball event...and then goes and coaches his tennis teams.

He truly is under appreciated. For what he's paid as an AD (a stipend)..you won't find many willing to put in the the time he does.

I want the swagger back too....but it doesn't fall on the AD.

I know AD does a lot...I still feel it is time for this one to go away...

rrfan;1662323 wrote:We are getting off track. All we want to hear is more RRN fixing everything...You area a joke RRN you want to fire the current coaching staff for not winning and then turn right around and say if you had it your way you may not win either.

You don't even know me!! In addition this train derailed 5 years ago I would need a year to get it back on track!! I know things move slow in Orrville but I would hope even you understand that logic

rrfan;1662239 wrote:That all sounds good...I would also bet that most of that has been said 100's of times this year already. I guess I would question what the discipline problem is right now on the team? This is not a team that gets many personal fouls (for example some of Mac's teams had this problem). If you are saying missed assignments is the discipline problem I will listen to that. However, when you are out manned and have kids playing out of position in order to get the best you have (which is not enough)on the field I think that is a problem you will see.

What I have not seen is this team giving up. You say you want them to give 110% (not really possible since 100% is all you have) when have they not....how do you know? What if all they have is the scores that you have seen this year? I have not seen this team quit this year.

if you are so sure the discipline is there lets do this; I will make up a secret ballot and come To the next home game and let's ask the fans: put your money where your fat mouth is! If more than 20% of the votes come in that say this program is disciplined I will give you $1,000. You heard it here folks I will coordinate it!!

I saw something today that may apply to this conversation:

"Your kids' success or lack of success in sports does not indicate what kind of parent you are, BUT, having an athlete that is coachable, respectful, a great teammate, mentally tough, resilient and tries their best IS a direct reflection of your parenting".

When it comes to discipline you have to have both ends covered. I have seen parents "go off" on coaches for how they handle discipline with their child on a team. With that being said, there is no excuse for kids with disciplinary problems continuing to get playing time. I know if a coach called or spoke to my dad about me being a problem at practice or on the field, IT BECAME A PROBLEM AT HOME! I can remember a few Friday nights getting home and getting an earful from dad about a few unnecessary roughness penalties. They were almost ALWAYS a frustration problem and NOT me being too aggressive (the way I tried to explain them). Again guys, LOTS of factors involved with the product we are seeing on Friday nights. Keep the faith, get involved if you can, make a difference for a town that raised most of us!

I wish I could! RTR!

Red Rider Nation;1662345 wrote:if you are so sure the discipline is there lets do this; I will make up a secret ballot and come To the next home game and let's ask the fans: put your money where your fat mouth is! If more than 20% of the votes come in that say this program is disciplined I will give you $1,000. You heard it here folks I will coordinate it!!

First thing...I don't need your money. Second, the only fat mouth on here is you. You want to fire a coach and you say you have the answers so show up to practice and share. The reason that you won't is because you know that coaching is not the problem! You want to fire a coach for a personal reason not a football one. Also you are probably a Never Was and would not know the first thing about coaching/or playing.

I don't think penalties automatically equals undisciplined. Certain kinds of penalties certainly could though.

Our penalties are mostly procedural stuff. It was bad in the Senior game because they would blitz every play and try to guess our snap count. Our line was getting antsy knowing they had to get out of their stances quick. It's not like these penalties are costing us games.

We're not cheap shotting kids or hitting late. That's the stuff that would concern me from a discipline standpoint.

We had 3 penalties vs. Lex, 11 vs Senior and 4 vs WH. 18 in 3 weeks is 6 per game. That's probably right about average.

Sure the kids' body language stinks....hard to stand at attention on the sideline when you're taking another bad loss on the chin. I haven't seen kids yelling at each other or quitting during games. I'm sure they're pretty down though. Easy to quit or act out when you're on the losing end, but our kids have handled themselves well all things considered.

I don't think penalties automatically equals undisciplined. Certain kinds of penalties certainly could though.

Our penalties are mostly procedural stuff. It was bad in the Senior game because they would blitz every play and try to guess our snap count. Our line was getting antsy knowing they had to get out of their stances quick. It's not like these penalties are costing us games.

We're not cheap shotting kids or hitting late. That's the stuff that would concern me from a discipline standpoint.

We had 3 penalties vs. Lex, 11 vs Senior and 4 vs WH. 18 in 3 weeks is 6 per game. That's probably right about average.

Sure the kids' body language stinks....hard to stand at attention on the sideline when you're taking another bad loss on the chin. I haven't seen kids yelling at each other or quitting during games. I'm sure they're pretty down though. Easy to quit or act out when you're on the losing end, but our kids have handled themselves well all things considered

Well put and thanks for the insight! I remember we had a ROUGH year when I was a sophomore and keeping your cool while being spanked by West Branch by 45 points was a HARD thing to do! We did some silly things that's for sure!

RRN, if you have what it takes to turn the Orrville program around, why aren't you lining up any other coaching positions? Are you going to bring your Madden playbook with you? Being a Wooster fan, I can only wish you would take over that program so we could whoop you another 10 straight years.

CCRolly;1662378 wrote:RRN, if you have what it takes to turn the Orrville program around, why aren't you lining up any other coaching positions? Are you going to bring your Madden playbook with you? Being a Wooster fan, I can only wish you would take over that program so we could whoop you another 10 straight years.

Ouch on the Wooster whooping us for 10 straight years.

Right on with the Madden playbook. RRN has no clue and just trolls.