ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
Jul 17, 2014 4:41pm
I still wouldn't do it
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Jul 17, 2014 4:43pm
56.5% from the field his last 2 seasons...that's just about as automatic as it gets. MJ never hit 54% for any one season. Larry Bird never hit 53% in a season.Dr. KnOiTaLL;1636947 wrote:Yeah, that goes to show that even top players in NBA history had to constantly work to improve their game. LeBron was a poor shooter coming into the league. He's definitely improved that part of his game. Not saying he's automatic or anything, but much improved from 03-04
believer
Posts: 8,153
Jul 17, 2014 4:44pm
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lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jul 17, 2014 4:48pm
Me neither. I just don't get why, even assuming we're deadset on trading Wiggins, we wouldn't at least wait to see what we have first.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1636974 wrote:I still wouldn't do it
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KB0938
Posts: 900
Jul 17, 2014 5:07pm
Why are some people finding it so crazy and unrealistic to compare Wiggins to LBJ when he first came into the league? Hes the exact same type of raw athletic freak of a player. Sure Lebron had better court vision, but his defense wasnt even in the same ballpark as Wiggins and his jump shot was about the same. Lebron was a poor jump shooter for the first few years of his NBA career.
Theres absolutely no way if I were Clevelands GM that I even think about getting rid of Wiggins for Love
Theres absolutely no way if I were Clevelands GM that I even think about getting rid of Wiggins for Love
Benny The Jet
Posts: 2,987
Jul 17, 2014 5:12pm
I don't get why some act like we can't live without Wiggins. The majority of you wanted Embid to begin with. Them this argument that he could be the next LeBron, we already have THE LeBron, let's win now and for the next 5-7 year's, then we'll worry about the future.
bigdaddy2003
Posts: 7,384
Jul 17, 2014 5:24pm
Here is how I see it. We know how good Love is in an NBA game. We have NO clue how Wiggins will look in a game or how long it will take for him to get over his rookie jitters.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jul 17, 2014 5:28pm
Who said we "can't live without wiggins"? Lol wtf? It's just a stupid fucking move to trade him away. Period.Benny The Jet;1636992 wrote:I don't get why some act like we can't live without Wiggins. The majority of you wanted Embid to begin with. Them this argument that he could be the next LeBron, we already have THE LeBron, let's win now and for the next 5-7 year's, then we'll worry about the future.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jul 17, 2014 5:29pm
We had no clue how Lebron would look in an NBA game. We should have dangled him on the trading block, too, right?bigdaddy2003;1636995 wrote:Here is how I see it. We know how good Love is in an NBA game. We have NO clue how Wiggins will look in a game or how long it will take for him to get over his rookie jitters.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jul 17, 2014 5:29pm
Embiid should be a special player as well, barring injury. The issues I have are, we don't need more offense on this team.Benny The Jet;1636992 wrote:I don't get why some act like we can't live without Wiggins. The majority of you wanted Embid to begin with. Them this argument that he could be the next LeBron, we already have THE LeBron, let's win now and for the next 5-7 year's, then we'll worry about the future.
Love on the Cavs will fill the exact same role bosh did with LBJ and the Heat, only with a few more rebounds. I'd love to have Love, for the right price, however to me giving up Wiggins is too much.
bigdaddy2003
Posts: 7,384
Jul 17, 2014 5:36pm
I had more inkling that LeBron would be special than I do Wiggins. I didn't see anything that special in he, Parker, or Randle. If they keep him and he flops, how will you feel?SportsAndLady;1636998 wrote:We had no clue how Lebron would look in an NBA game. We should have dangled him on the trading block, too, right?
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jul 17, 2014 5:39pm
He's extremely athletic, special defender with a solid jump shot. I don't see how he can flop besides injuries or head case. So id feel bad for him but still rather have him over love. He has a chance to be special hof type player. Love will never sniff consideration for the hof.bigdaddy2003;1637002 wrote:I had more inkling that LeBron would be special than I do Wiggins. I didn't see anything that special in he, Parker, or Randle. If they keep him and he flops, how will you feel?
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jul 17, 2014 5:40pm
Yeah I bet 👍👍bigdaddy2003;1637002 wrote:I had more inkling that LeBron would be special than I do Wiggins. I didn't see anything that special in he, Parker, or Randle. If they keep him and he flops, how will you feel?
Really easy to say that when it's 10 years later. Point is, if you're going to say "no one knows how he'll play in an nba game" about wiggins but then not say the same about Lebron, you're a hypocrite and have no credibility.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jul 17, 2014 5:41pm
Cleveland would be better with a stretch 4 like Love. You already have your elite PG and Wing in Kyrie and Lebron. Do you need another great wing or the most productive PF in the game who btw can space the floor? If Cleveland starts both Andy and TT there isn't going to be much space on the floor for Lebron and Kyrie to get into the lane. Also, a pick and roll/pop of Lebron and Kevin Love would be absolutely devastating.HighRoller74;1636999 wrote:Embiid should be a special player as well, barring injury. The issues I have are, we don't need more offense on this team.
Love on the Cavs will fill the exact same role bosh did with LBJ and the Heat, only with a few more rebounds. I'd love to have Love, for the right price, however to me giving up Wiggins is too much.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jul 17, 2014 5:43pm
Until love is hurt for 50 games like he always is.robj55;1637008 wrote:Cleveland would be better with a stretch 4 like Love. You already have your elite PG and Wing in Kyrie and Lebron. Do you need another great wing or the most productive PF in the game who btw can space the floor? If Cleveland starts both Andy and TT there isn't going to be much space on the floor for Lebron and Kyrie to get into the lane. Also, a pick and roll/pop of Lebron and Kevin Love would be absolutely devastating.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jul 17, 2014 5:44pm
Sure a stretch 4 would be nice, but not paying Max dollars, and giving up best prospect in 10 years I'll pass on that. As I said before, better trades out their for a stretch 4(Won't kill cap/Depth.)robj55;1637008 wrote:Cleveland would be better with a stretch 4 like Love. You already have your elite PG and Wing in Kyrie and Lebron. Do you need another great wing or the most productive PF in the game who btw can space the floor? If Cleveland starts both Andy and TT there isn't going to be much space on the floor for Lebron and Kyrie to get into the lane. Also, a pick and roll/pop of Lebron and Kevin Love would be absolutely devastating.
pmoney25
Posts: 1,787
Jul 17, 2014 5:44pm
With Wiggins, LeBron doesn't need to worry about guarding the other teams best perimeter player during playoffs. I think that will be huge as LeBron gets older. Jordan had that with Pippen.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jul 17, 2014 5:47pm
He played 77 games last year but yes injury is always a concern. Swap out Kevin Love for Wiggins and Cavs are the favorites to win the title imo immediately. Keep Wiggins and they may not even be the favorite to win the East. I think some have forgotten how good Kevin Love is and how productive he is, pair him with Lebron and Kyrie and he would be incredible. Don't care that he hasn't won either, he put up monster numbers and basketball is a team game. No one wins by themselves. Melo is viewed as a superstar and has only been past the first round twice.Commander of Awesome;1637009 wrote:Until love is hurt for 50 games like he always is.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jul 17, 2014 5:48pm
None of them are Kevin Love, he's the best rebounder in the league and his production is consistent night in and night out. Pairing him with Lebron would re-energize him and give him a fresh start.HighRoller74;1637010 wrote:Sure a stretch 4 would be nice, but not paying Max dollars, and giving up best prospect in 10 years I'll pass on that. As I said before, better trades out their for a stretch 4(Won't kill cap/Depth.)
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jul 17, 2014 5:49pm
That's a great point.pmoney25;1637011 wrote:With Wiggins, LeBron doesn't need to worry about guarding the other teams best perimeter player during playoffs. I think that will be huge as LeBron gets older. Jordan had that with Pippen.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jul 17, 2014 5:52pm
Been in the league for 6 seasons, and only played more than 70 games 3 times.robj55;1637013 wrote:He played 77 games last year but yes injury is always a concern. Swap out Kevin Love for Wiggins and Cavs are the favorites to win the title imo immediately. Keep Wiggins and they may not even be the favorite to win the East. I think some have forgotten how good Kevin Love is and how productive he is, pair him with Lebron and Kyrie and he would be incredible. Don't care that he hasn't won either, he put up monster numbers and basketball is a team game. No one wins by themselves. Melo is viewed as a superstar and has only been past the first round twice.
Kevin Love is a good player, but to say he'd be incredible on the Cavs is a stretch, all of his numbers will see a significant dip, and for what you'd have to give up this season(wiggins), and for the foreseeable future(Cap, Picks, Depth), I'll lean towards passing, unless can be had without Wiggins.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jul 17, 2014 5:54pm
All of his numbers will fall off across the board. For the price to get him/pay him we can find better value.robj55;1637014 wrote:None of them are Kevin Love, he's the best rebounder in the league and his production is consistent night in and night out. Pairing him with Lebron would re-energize him and give him a fresh start.
Again, only if including Wiggins. If can get for Waiters, TT/BEnnett, and some #1's i'm for it. But I'm not dumping Wiggins.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jul 17, 2014 7:26pm
Woj reporting LBJ reached out to Love, expressing intrested.
Broussard confirming through his "sources" that Wiggins is on table.
Broussard confirming through his "sources" that Wiggins is on table.
Benny The Jet
Posts: 2,987
Jul 17, 2014 7:31pm
If it's true LeBron wants Love there, consider it done I'd say. Only matter of time. What he wants, they're going to make happen. No more Mo Williams or Larry Hughes as sidekicks for him. Gilbert's going to get him what he wants.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jul 17, 2014 7:33pm
Lebron is an idiot if he doesn't see the upside of mentoring a Wiggins into a superstar.Benny The Jet;1637032 wrote:If it's true LeBron wants Love there, consider it done I'd say. Only matter of time. What he wants, they're going to make happen. No more Mo Williams or Larry Hughes as sidekicks for him. Gilbert's going to get him what he wants.
I'll say it again..adding Love for wiggins does not make us any more or less a championship team.