Archive Cleveland Cavaliers Offseason 2014

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gport_tennis

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Jul 15, 2014 6:36pm

^^^^ what he said

Laley23

Posts: 29,506

Jul 15, 2014 7:04pm

Fuck Boozer. He isn't helping the Cavs anymore than some other random signing.

EDIT: Maybe sign him to a 10 day contract so Cleveland fans can get a good bit of booing him on a long homestand before releasing him.

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gport_tennis

Posts: 1,796

Jul 15, 2014 7:05pm

I like the edit idea laley lol

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HelloAgain

Posts: 537

Jul 15, 2014 7:10pm

KB0938;1636392 wrote:Theres absolutely no arguing that his rotation isnt perfect lol. Its nowhere near a knuckleball or whatever you compared it to

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?id=1728987

Allen was working on his shot after practice one day, and a group of people were standing behind him to watch him shoot. "Look at that," one of the observers noticed. "His ball moves when it leaves his hand."
"What do you mean?" another bystander asked.
"His ball, it wobbles on the way to the basket, almost like it's a knuckleball."
"No it doesn't. That's an optical illusion."
So the group went over to Seattle coach Nate McMillan.
"Have you ever noticed Ray's ball when it leaves his hand?" McMillan was queried. "It ..."
"Yeah, it moves," McMillan said before the question even was completed. "I've noticed that."

At one point, the colloquy turned to the rotation of the ball once it is released. Allen's ball barely rotates, perhaps a turn or a turn and a half from the time it leaves his hand behind the 3-point line to the time it reaches the basket. Someone pointed out that a ball that has more rotation is apt to have a little more action if and when it hits the rim, giving it more of a chance to hit the backboard and go in.
Deadpan, without missing a beat, Allen said: "Yeah, but you're not supposed to hit the rim."

I'm glad your analysis of a 360p youtube video proved perfect rotation, but it's been mentioned by coaches frequently that Allen's shot has a weird spin upon release. Sorry.

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KB0938

Posts: 900

Jul 15, 2014 7:13pm

It has back spin clearly. A knuckle ball doesnt. Not sure what there is to argue

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HelloAgain

Posts: 537

Jul 15, 2014 7:21pm

KB0938;1636419 wrote:It has back spin clearly. A knuckle ball doesnt. Not sure what there is to argue

I never said it had literally zero backspin, I said Ray Allen did not have perfect rotation either. Something that countless articles have been written about.

like_that

Posts: 26,625

Jul 15, 2014 9:10pm

Sam Amico @SamAmicoFSO · 5m

Commissioner Adam Silver says at Vegas press conference that, with respect to Heat, LeBron James returning to Cavs is good for the NBA.

BUT the NBA and its fans love the super teams, and the big 3 are great for the NBA.

/turdo

like_that

Posts: 26,625

Jul 15, 2014 9:12pm

Also this article is done by Amico so take it FWIW...

http://msn.foxsports.com/ohio/story/nba-how-much-do-cleveland-cavaliers-love-kevin-love-not-as-much-as-andrew-wiggins-071514

Lovejoy1984

Posts: 5,277

Jul 15, 2014 9:19pm

OB1, any more from your source.

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HelloAgain

Posts: 537

Jul 15, 2014 9:43pm

Waiters, Bennett, and a #1. Don't see how you can turn that down if you're Minnesota. What better offer are you going to get?

Mulva

Posts: 13,650

Jul 15, 2014 9:53pm

HelloAgain;1636476 wrote:Waiters, Bennett, and a #1. Don't see how you can turn that down if you're Minnesota. What better offer are you going to get?

Golden State's rumored offer is better, for one.

Azubuike24

Posts: 15,933

Jul 15, 2014 9:57pm

For a rooting perspective, I'm glad Noel isn't on Cleveland. However, I can't imagine him playing at the 4 with LeBron and Kyrie. It's funny, I've seen him hit 3 or 4 12-16 foot jumpers in the summer. I never saw him ATTEMPT one in college. He's got a smooth stroke, just nobody ever saw it.

Lovejoy1984

Posts: 5,277

Jul 15, 2014 10:01pm

Mulva;1636479 wrote:Golden State's rumored offer is better, for one.

Lee, Barnes and some 1's?

ernest_t_bass

Posts: 24,984

Jul 15, 2014 10:04pm

Is HelloAgain lotz?

Pick6

Posts: 14,946

Jul 15, 2014 10:06pm

ernest_t_bass;1636486 wrote:Is HelloAgain lotz?

Im curious as well. Don't picture it being lotz, but def not a new guy

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HelloAgain

Posts: 537

Jul 15, 2014 10:07pm

Mulva;1636479 wrote:Golden State's rumored offer is better, for one.

David Lee is a 31 yr old with injury problems and is one of the worst interior defenders in the history of the NBA.

Harrison Barnes can't even average double figures.

ernest_t_bass;1636486 wrote:Is HelloAgain lotz?

This is legitimately the most insulting thing anyone has ever said to me.

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HelloAgain

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Jul 15, 2014 10:08pm

ernest_t_bass;1636486 wrote:Is HelloAgain lotz?

This is legitimately the most insulting thing anyone has ever said to me.

Lovejoy1984

Posts: 5,277

Jul 15, 2014 10:08pm

HelloAgain;1636489 wrote:David Lee is a 31 yr old with injury problems and is one of the worst interior defenders in the history of the NBA.

Harrison Barnes can't even average double figures.

Not to mention owed 31m the next 2 seasons. Which would take Minny out of the running for a FA next season.

Mulva

Posts: 13,650

Jul 15, 2014 10:50pm

HelloAgain;1636489 wrote:David Lee is a 31 yr old with injury problems and is one of the worst interior defenders in the history of the NBA.

Harrison Barnes can't even average double figures.

And Bennett and Waiters are...? And please, be consistent and focus only on the most negative aspects you can think of.

http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/teams/cle

It has a lot more to do with that ^ than Lee and Barnes being great players, although they're obviously much better than your post.

Lovejoy1984

Posts: 5,277

Jul 15, 2014 10:58pm

Mulva;1636509 wrote:And Bennett and Waiters are...? And please, be consistent and focus only on the most negative aspects you can think of.

http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/teams/cle

It has a lot more to do with that ^ than Lee and Barnes being great players, although they're obviously much better than your post.

I agree with you that they are better players, Right now. But they've pretty much hit their ceilings, or are coming down in the case of Lee. For a team like Minny, who will undoubtedly lose Lee, they will be left with another terrible squad, I personally would much rather take on young, talented Unknowns, all the while leaving a crap load of cap space to bring in a few FA's.

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HelloAgain

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Jul 15, 2014 11:08pm

Mulva;1636509 wrote:and focus only on the most negative aspects you can think of.

There is zero positive to David Lee for Minnesota. Taking him on is actually a negative for their team's situation. They'd be better off receiving a 2nd rd draft pick.

Terry_Tate

Posts: 7,606

Jul 15, 2014 11:11pm

This week's SI cover story on LeBron. Nice article.

http://www.si.com/nba/2014/07/15/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers

Mulva

Posts: 13,650

Jul 15, 2014 11:11pm

HighRoller74;1636512 wrote:I agree with you that they are better players, Right now. But they've pretty much hit their ceilings, or are coming down in the case of Lee. For a team like Minny, who will undoubtedly lose Lee, they will be left with another terrible squad, I personally would much rather take on young, talented Unknowns, all the while leaving a crap load of cap space to bring in a few FA's.

I would side with Minnesota (to this point) and take neither. They aren't good offers, and holding out for Klay or Wiggins is smart.

But of the two, Golden State's offer is better, unless the Wolves want to go into a full blown rebuild.

SportsAndLady

Posts: 35,632

Jul 15, 2014 11:35pm

Hello again is 2kool I believe

SportsAndLady

Posts: 35,632

Jul 15, 2014 11:35pm

Mulva;1636522 wrote:I would side with Minnesota (to this point) and take neither. They aren't good offers, and holding out for Klay or Wiggins is smart.

But of the two, Golden State's offer is better, unless the Wolves want to go into a full blown rebuild.

They're not going to get klay or wiggins so I hope they enjoy letting Love walk for nothing.