lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jun 19, 2014 9:27am
Howard was for awhile (top 10 player) and Oden was even better on offense than him and as much of a defensive stopper. So the potential was there, but I agree that it's a bit farfetched to say for sure he would have been. Coaching goes a long way in how good a big man is (not only for development but also for implementation), and obviously injuries are a factor.SportsAndLady;1627719 wrote:Come on, top 10 player? That's absurd. There isn't a center in the top 10 in the NBA, Oden would be one of them? Come on.
Also I don't agree with that article you posted...not sure that will turn out to be a good signing for Miami.
When he was healthy for 21 games in 2009-2010, he put up 17, 13 and 3.4 blocks per 36 minutes. That's pretty fantastic for someone who had spent the last few years overcoming a major injury.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 19, 2014 9:53am
I think Oden, barring injuries, would absolutely be a top 10 player. I hate to use college as an example, but he pretty much ran train on Noah(NBA DPOY) and Horford in the Florida championship game with one hand. It's a shame he has crap knees.SportsAndLady;1627719 wrote:Come on, top 10 player? That's absurd. There isn't a center in the top 10 in the NBA, Oden would be one of them? Come on.
Also I don't agree with that article you posted...not sure that will turn out to be a good signing for Miami.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jun 19, 2014 10:30am
One great college game = top 10 nba player projectionsleeper;1627759 wrote:I think Oden, barring injuries, would absolutely be a top 10 player. I hate to use college as an example, but he pretty much ran train on Noah(NBA DPOY) and Horford in the Florida championship game with one hand. It's a shame he has crap knees.
Got it.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 19, 2014 10:41am
Did you watch him at all during the entire season? The guy(and Conley) took that team to the NCAA Finals. And like someone else said, his numbers were pretty solid for Portland in the few games he did play.SportsAndLady;1627778 wrote:One great college game = top 10 nba player projection
Got it.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jun 19, 2014 11:26am
Embiid injures foot, maybe broken?
http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2014/story/_/id/11107087/joel-embiid-suffers-foot-injury-prior-nba-draft
http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2014/story/_/id/11107087/joel-embiid-suffers-foot-injury-prior-nba-draft
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jun 19, 2014 11:34am
Lots of players take their teams far in the NCAA tournament. Doesn't automatically make them an nba superstar lol come on.sleeper;1627782 wrote:Did you watch him at all during the entire season? The guy(and Conley) took that team to the NCAA Finals. And like someone else said, his numbers were pretty solid for Portland in the few games he did play.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Jun 19, 2014 11:42am
Not good considering injuries are his biggest concern.Automatik;1627803 wrote:Embiid injures foot, maybe broken?
http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2014/story/_/id/11107087/joel-embiid-suffers-foot-injury-prior-nba-draft
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jun 19, 2014 11:45am
Are you arguing his NBA projection? I'm pretty sure that's the one thing about Oden that is inarguable​. He was seen as a game-altering center. Definitely projected to be a top 10 active player during his career if healthy.SportsAndLady;1627778 wrote:One great college game = top 10 nba player projection
Got it.
Why are we even having this argument?
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jun 19, 2014 11:47am
Im arguing how high that projection is. He was definitely a sure fire good nba player at the very least without the injuries. But top 10 player? Elite player? Superstar? I can't say that's a sure fire thing.lhslep134;1627819 wrote:Are you arguing his NBA projection? I'm pretty sure that's the one thing about Oden that is inarguable​.
But then again I am very anti-center in today's NBA so that probably has a lot to do with my projection of him.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 19, 2014 11:53am
It does when you are 7' with an offensive game.SportsAndLady;1627811 wrote:Lots of players take their teams far in the NCAA tournament. Doesn't automatically make them an nba superstar lol come on.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 19, 2014 11:55am
Very anti-center? Check out how the Spurs with a much better post game just dismantled the Heat in 5 games. Good centers with an offensive game are hard to come by. Sure you can always find a 7' like Dwight who can block some shots and get rebounds, but to find a guy like Tim Duncan or Shaq is game changing.SportsAndLady;1627823 wrote:Im arguing how high that projection is. He was definitely a sure fire good nba player at the very least without the injuries. But top 10 player? Elite player? Superstar? I can't say that's a sure fire thing.
But then again I am very anti-center in today's NBA so that probably has a lot to do with my projection of him.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jun 19, 2014 11:59am
What I meant by that is there are so very few good centers in the league. Obviously if you can find a great one, that's awesome (which is why I want embiid).sleeper;1627826 wrote:Very anti-center? Check out how the Spurs with a much better post game just dismantled the Heat in 5 games. Good centers with an offensive game are hard to come by. Sure you can always find a 7' like Dwight who can block some shots and get rebounds, but to find a guy like Tim Duncan or Shaq is game changing.
derek bomar
Posts: 3,722
Jun 19, 2014 12:03pm
I want no part of Oden 2.0.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Jun 19, 2014 12:12pm
The only relevance Greg Oden has to this thread is that the guy people want to draft has a 70% chance of being him. Now stfu and get in topic.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jun 19, 2014 12:49pm
I'm 99.9% sure your judgment is clouded by what has happened since. I think S&L from 2007 before the draft would call 2014 S&L a retard for saying Oden isn't a potential top 10 player if healthy lolSportsAndLady;1627823 wrote:Im arguing how high that projection is. He was definitely a sure fire good nba player at the very least without the injuries. But top 10 player? Elite player? Superstar? I can't say that's a sure fire thing.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jun 19, 2014 12:52pm
sleeper;1627826 wrote:Very anti-center? Check out how the Spurs with a much better post game just dismantled the Heat in 5 games. Good centers with an offensive game are hard to come by. Sure you can always find a 7' like Dwight who can block some shots and get rebounds, but to find a guy like Tim Duncan or Shaq is game changing.
And the Grizzlies with Gasol (look at their numbers before and after his injury this season and try and tell me centers aren't important) and the Bulls with Noah. Hell, even the Bobcats made the playoffs behind Big Al this year.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jun 19, 2014 1:00pm
Pacers with Hibbert not being useless last 2 years and into this year were a threat for a title.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jun 19, 2014 1:04pm
I'm not saying he isn't a potential top 10 player I'm just saying I don't believe he would have been.lhslep134;1627844 wrote:I'm 99.9% sure your judgment is clouded by what has happened since. I think S&L from 2007 before the draft would call 2014 S&L a retard for saying Oden isn't a potential top 10 player if healthy lol
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 19, 2014 1:14pm
You mad.SportsAndLady;1627850 wrote:I'm not saying he isn't a potential top 10 player I'm just saying I don't believe he would have been.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jun 19, 2014 1:14pm
S&L just being stubborn
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jun 19, 2014 1:20pm
It's just my opinion on a player. Don't see how I am getting upset or how I'm being stubborn lol
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jun 19, 2014 1:24pm
Do you still want Embiid at 1?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 19, 2014 1:24pm
You just have a piss poor memory and applying broken hindsight logic to justify your position.SportsAndLady;1627861 wrote:It's just my opinion on a player. Don't see how I am getting upset or how I'm being stubborn lol
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jun 19, 2014 1:25pm
SportsAndLady;1627861 wrote:It's just my opinion on a player. Don't see how I am getting upset or how I'm being stubborn lol
That's what happens when you have an opinion that is against the grain lol, no matter how moot the argument is.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jun 19, 2014 1:28pm
Automatik;1627863 wrote:Do you still want Embiid at 1?
Well I will say that if any injury isn't gonna stop me from Embiid, it's a foot one because of how Cleveland has been able to salvage them (think big Z). But I am starting to become concerned by how many he's had already and that's without playing basketball for a while, which means I have no idea if it's a fluke or not.