Footwedge;1657785 wrote:Looks like Kip's 52 million dollar deal is not the steal we thought it was. Seems like every deal like this we make ends up in the shitter. Remember e how excited we were when we signed Fausto to a lengthy deal? Management was wise in saying no to Mr. clean. He probably lost over 50 million dollars this season in not accepting 13 million. Next year I doubt if anyone offers more than 3 million per year.

I'm not giving up on Kip yet...played the season with a lot of nagging injuries. Even if the Kipnis deal isn't as good as we hoped, they sure hit on Brantley, Gomes, and passing on Masterson. I, for one, sure gave them a lot of negs for not signing an "ACE" when they had a chance. LOL. Good thing I'm not in that front office
Team should be pretty good shape with pitching next year.

HitsRus;1657934 wrote:I'm not giving up on Kip yet...played the season with a lot of nagging injuries. Even if the Kipnis deal isn't as good as we hoped, they sure hit on Brantley, Gomes, and passing on Masterson. I, for one, sure gave them a lot of negs for not signing an "ACE" when they had a chance. LOL. Good thing I'm not in that front office Team should be pretty good shape with pitching next year.

Kipnis hit 284 with 17 homers in 2013. In 2012, he hit 257. So it's hard to say what the future holds for him. Didn't like his power outage this year either.

like_that;1599411 wrote:I predict we will see a lot of doom and gloom from iggy.

like_that;1599488 wrote:Exactly my point. Btw I'm on board with most of our predictions. I say 85 wins give or take 5. I can see then playing 500 ball or just enough to make the playoffs. What worries me this year is the royals should be a legitimate team from start to finish.

Spot on with both of these.

Also, I can see the tribe making a run back to the playoffs next year.

like_that;1658305 wrote:Spot on with both of these.

A give or take 5 doesnt count, lol

Should have stopped at 85!

Laley23;1658312 wrote:A give or take 5 doesnt count, lol

Should have stopped at 85!

Don't mind the give or take lol.

^^^LOL !

I wish most of us had been wrong...and they'd have won 92

I wasn't far off on this prediction from about a month ago

BRF;1599500 wrote:84-78

Well, I was close.

That's a pretty good record for the shit line up that they trotted out there on a regular basis.

Kudos to the starting pitching.

We have months to recap it and I'm sure we will have an offseason thread to debate all of this but some initial thoughts.

Overall, a positive season. I think the team was who were thought they were. Some unlucky breaks and bad defense costs us some games early in the year that would have been helpful down the stretch.

The Good-

-Tito and the staff. They get these guys to play and never give up on a game...even when they get down early. Mickey Callaway has to given some credit for the big steps forward for Kluber, some of the young guys and the bullpen.
-Kluber, CC potentially figuring it out. Flashes of brilliance from Salazar and Bauer. Allen, Shaw, Atchiston, Brantley, Gomes, Ramirez, Santana after May, Lonnie before the ASG.

The Bad-
Bourn can't stay healthy. Murph had some clutch hits but overall wasn't very productive. Lonnie after the ASG. Tomlin, McAllister.

The Ugly-
Kipnis following his All Star campaign with a total dud of a season. Cabrera and Masterson being so bad they were shipped out of town. Swisher. It doesn't make the front office want to take chances on the free agent market when the guys they take a chance on don't come anywhere near their past production. The defense. Cost us multiple games.

^^^good analysis.

I'll add...Ryan Raburn was a HUGE disappointment...almost a non factor.

I'll disagree about Tomlin and McCallister. Tomlin is a servicable #5/spot starter and long man. His failure this year was when he was put into situations that he shouldn't have been in. McCallister struggled, but brought it home down the stretch out of the pen busting out 97 MPH fastballs in shorter stints of work. The jury is still out on him.

I think we will see a rebound year from Kip next season.

They should find a place for Kipnis in the outfield.

HitsRus;1658539 wrote:^^^good analysis.

I'll add...Ryan Raburn was a HUGE disappointment...almost a non factor.

I'll disagree about Tomlin and McCallister. Tomlin is a servicable #5/spot starter and long man. His failure this year was when he was put into situations that he shouldn't have been in. McCallister struggled, but brought it home down the stretch out of the pen busting out 97 MPH fastballs in shorter stints of work. The jury is still out on him.

Raburn was such a non factor that I forgot all about him.

I agree about Tomlin. He is who he is. But, I was hoping for a big step forward from McAllister before the season. I thought it was going to be between him and Kluber for who would be the #2 on this staff being Masterson. In that sense, I put him in the bad category. If he finds a spot in the pen as a lights out back end bullpen guy, you can never have too many of those.

yeah let ZMac do what Carrasco did, be the long arm out of the bullpen to get his confidence up.