NFL missing on Freddy Barnes?

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Dec 30, 2009 5:42 PM
Just set the single seaon record with 143 receptions. Has 18 TD's and about 1600 yards. Yet NFL scouts at the game arent there for him but for an Idaho player. He is projected 4-7 round draft pick because of a 4.65 40. Jerry Rice ran a 4.6 in last college 40.
Dec 30, 2009 5:42pm
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Dec 30, 2009 5:43 PM
Maybe he'll be the next Jerry Rice.

He may not get drafted, but he'll get a shot in the league. 32 teams would be retarded to pass on him
Dec 30, 2009 5:43pm
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Dec 30, 2009 5:45 PM
I wasnt saying he will be the next Jerry Rice. But do they put too much value in these height, weight and 40 times?
Dec 30, 2009 5:45pm
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Dec 30, 2009 5:46 PM
the measureables certainly do tell a particular story, but yes, I think in general at all levels too much is emphasis is placed on them
Dec 30, 2009 5:46pm
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Dec 30, 2009 5:50 PM
WR is one of the few positions where the measureables actually tend to matter.

At WR you've got to have decent size, and enough speed to get open. Think about it, how many small, slow WR's are there that are successful? Not many.
Dec 30, 2009 5:50pm
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Dec 30, 2009 5:52 PM
HighRoller74 wrote: WR is one of the few positions where the measureables actually tend to matter. The other being CB.

How did Jerry Rice's 4.6 40 time in college effect his NFL career?
Dec 30, 2009 5:52pm
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Dec 30, 2009 6:13 PM
Jerry Rice was drafted in the first round, so I'm not really sure why you brought him up, it's not like he fell to the later rounds, like you mentioned Barnes will do. Someone was smart enough to realize how good he was.

Even though Jerry didn't have the elite timed speed, he had the quickness, hands, size, and ability to run routes that made him able to overcome the lack of top end speed.

Things are also a lot different now, than they were 25 years ago as well.
Dec 30, 2009 6:13pm
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Dec 30, 2009 6:17 PM
I merely brought him up bc of their comparable "slow" 40 times.
Dec 30, 2009 6:17pm
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Dec 30, 2009 6:56 PM
They showed a graphic of the top 4 recievers that Barnes passed. I never heard of any of them.
Dec 30, 2009 6:56pm
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Dec 30, 2009 6:56 PM
To me, he is comparable to a guy like Eric Moulds was in the NFL. Not elite speed, but with coaching he will be a great route runner and I think you can see his hands and understanding of the game (former QB) are no question. He's not huge, but it's also not like he's 5'7 or something. He's a decent sized guy, and I think like many guys that go late round that end up being solid players, if he ends up in a good/"the right" situation with good coaches and good, experienced recievers for him to learn from, he will end up being a very reliable possession guy in the NFL. And first downs are something that never really go out of style in football.
Dec 30, 2009 6:56pm
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Dec 30, 2009 7:04 PM
This is the first time I've seen him play, and he doesn't look like an NFL player at all to me.

He has good hands, but he's doing absolutely nothing after the catch. Doesn't have the speed or agility.
Dec 30, 2009 7:04pm
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Dec 30, 2009 7:06 PM
Look at his YPR! It's nothing to tell NFL scouts about. It just means Bowling Green has a nice system and gets him the ball against shitty defenses.
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Dec 30, 2009 7:09 PM
Mulva wrote: This is the first time I've seen him play, and he doesn't look like an NFL player at all to me.

He has good hands, but he's doing absolutely nothing after the catch. Doesn't have the speed or agility.
Ys never know for sure though. Biletnikoff and Steve Largent were turtles.
Dec 30, 2009 7:09pm
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Dec 30, 2009 7:11 PM
sjmvsfscs08 wrote: Look at his YPR! It's nothing to tell NFL scouts about. It just means Bowling Green has a nice system and gets him the ball against shitty defenses.
Yeah, averaging a first down every time you touch the ball is really shitty.
Dec 30, 2009 7:11pm
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Dec 30, 2009 7:19 PM
Red_Skin_Pride wrote:
sjmvsfscs08 wrote: Look at his YPR! It's nothing to tell NFL scouts about. It just means Bowling Green has a nice system and gets him the ball against shitty defenses.
Yeah, averaging a first down every time you touch the ball is really shitty.
Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not but Barnes ranks 777th(That's right, Seven Hundred, Seventy-Seventh) in college football in terms of YPC.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/statistics/player/_/stat/receiving/sort/yardsPerReception/qualified/false/count/761

So that is pretty shitty if you ask me.
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Dec 30, 2009 7:20 PM
A wide receiver should have that average! A ten-yard average is amazing for a running back but very, very mediocre for a receiver. The NFL doesn't have room for mediocre players.
Dec 30, 2009 7:20pm
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Dec 30, 2009 7:22 PM
Oh look, he's open yet again. Touchdown.

Do they have room for 1300+ yards, 18TD's, and 150 catches per year??
Dec 30, 2009 7:22pm
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Dec 30, 2009 7:44 PM
Red_Skin_Pride wrote: Oh look, he's open yet again. Touchdown.

Do they have room for 1300+ yards, 18TD's, and 150 catches per year??
yeah they do but the probability of Barnes doing that at an NFL level is practically naught. Best case scenario he becomes a very poor mans Wes Welker, worst case scenario he gets drafted in the late rounds, doesn't survive the final cut day and winds up in the CFL.
Dec 30, 2009 7:44pm
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Dec 30, 2009 7:51 PM
Barnes will be a more productive WR in the NFL than Golden Tate ever will!!
Dec 30, 2009 7:51pm
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Dec 30, 2009 7:54 PM
Red_Skin_Pride wrote:
sjmvsfscs08 wrote: Look at his YPR! It's nothing to tell NFL scouts about. It just means Bowling Green has a nice system and gets him the ball against shitty defenses.
Yeah, averaging a first down every time you touch the ball is really shitty.
Golden averages over a first down and a half.... ;)
Dec 30, 2009 7:54pm
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Dec 30, 2009 7:55 PM
Freddie will be drafted, but I think he'll be a 3 or 4...

Could he break out? sure.. He's a beast in college, no doubt. As always, the Draft combine will allow him to either improve, stay level, or drop, in terms of draft status.
Dec 30, 2009 7:55pm
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Dec 30, 2009 7:58 PM
There's an NFL TD
Dec 30, 2009 7:58pm
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Dec 30, 2009 7:59 PM
HighRoller74 wrote:
Red_Skin_Pride wrote:
sjmvsfscs08 wrote: Look at his YPR! It's nothing to tell NFL scouts about. It just means Bowling Green has a nice system and gets him the ball against shitty defenses.
Yeah, averaging a first down every time you touch the ball is really shitty.
Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not but Barnes ranks 777th(That's right, Seven Hundred, Seventy-Seventh) in college football in terms of YPC.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/statistics/player/_/stat/receiving/sort/yardsPerReception/qualified/false/count/761

So that is pretty shitty if you ask me.
Tried looking for it on the link you provided but it wouldnt work, how many of these players have over 20 catches? On the stats on cnnsi.com, of the top 50 only 3 have more than 20 catches.
Dec 30, 2009 7:59pm
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Dec 30, 2009 8:00 PM
17 receptions for 219 yards and 3 TDs.

What a performance!
Dec 30, 2009 8:00pm
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Dec 30, 2009 8:00 PM
I'm going to say he could be a #2..
Dec 30, 2009 8:00pm