WebFire;1654606 wrote:Give us a some logic that says the B1G is good.

My logic is based on evidence and statistics, something the public(and you) is not very well versed in. Enjoy being mentally deficient.

sleeper;1654642 wrote:My logic is based on evidence and statistics, something the public(and you) is not very well versed in. Enjoy being mentally deficient.

Please provide said evidence and stats to show the B1G is a good conference.

WebFire;1654643 wrote:Please provide said evidence and stats to show the B1G is a good conference.

I'd rather not. Effort to defeat an established public opinion driven by an entirely biased media network is not worth it. I could post the most jaw dropping statistics on the planet that would make the SEC look like a D-3 conference and it wouldn't matter. You believe what you believe; facts will not change anything.

sleeper;1654653 wrote:I'd rather not. Effort to defeat an established public opinion driven by an entirely biased media network is not worth it. I could post the most jaw dropping statistics on the planet that would make the SEC look like a D-3 conference and it wouldn't matter. You believe what you believe; facts will not change anything.

Ok, cool.

KnightRyder;1654560 wrote:How about the fact that damn near every team in the big ten has a losing bowl record. not to mention last years bowl season where the big ten got took its annual flogging. yea some conferences have down weeks , the big ten has been down since moby dick was a minnow. Look at FSU , they defeated everyone on their schedule which included Clemson, yes the same Clemson that speed boated OSU. Then they defeated the top SEC team for the title. when was the last time a big ten team defeated the top SEC team? keep watching the BTN maybe they will make you believe that OSU vs VaTech , MSU vs Oregon . ND vs Mich never happened. i'm sure those games wont be shown on BTN classics.

OSU beat Arkansas a few years in the Sugar Bowl. Really OSU is the only one actually winning the big games in the B1G

The Big Ten has more BCS Bowl appearances than any other conference. They are 13-15 in those games.

The Big Ten has had more schools win a BCS Bowl game than any other conference, despite having fewer members than many others for most of that time period.

Ohio State holds the record for BCS Bowl wins


Right now, it doesn't look like the Big Ten is one of the best conferences this year. But they have been the clear 2nd best overall conference during the BCS era, and while the top teams in the SEC have been better, top to bottom it has been much closer than the media would lead you to believe.

Bottom line, the middle/bottom of the B1G sucks. Those are the majority of teams with the bad losses, and are the majority who have continually lost to non-BCS and MAC schools over the last decade.

Quite simply, if Michigan and Nebraska would pull their weight as "premier" programs, we wouldn't be having this discussion. From where they WERE 10-15 years ago, it's hard to argue that Ohio State, Wisconsin and Michigan State haven't lived up to or exceeding their expectations.

The ONLY difference in the SEC and B1G? Tennessee has faded, South Carolina has stepped up. Florida has faded, Texas A&M has stepped up. Tennessee and Florida were both top 5 programs 15 years ago, as was Nebraska (and Michigan was close), but have been replaced. The SEC just has a lot more substance with the ability to step up.

I never thought I'd say it, but adding A&M and Missouri have been enhancing. Almost every other "expansion" into other conferences has actually hurt the conference strength. Colorado and Utah haven't made the Pac 12 better. Maryland and Rutgers don't make the B1G better. Syracuse and Pittsburgh haven't made the ACC better. West Virginia and TCU haven't made the Big XII better.

Azubuike24;1654703 wrote:Bottom line, the middle/bottom of the B1G sucks. Those are the majority of teams with the bad losses, and are the majority who have continually lost to non-BCS and MAC schools over the last decade.

Quite simply, if Michigan and Nebraska would pull their weight as "premier" programs, we wouldn't be having this discussion. From where they WERE 10-15 years ago, it's hard to argue that Ohio State, Wisconsin and Michigan State haven't lived up to or exceeding their expectations.

The ONLY difference in the SEC and B1G? Tennessee has faded, South Carolina has stepped up. Florida has faded, Texas A&M has stepped up. Tennessee and Florida were both top 5 programs 15 years ago, as was Nebraska (and Michigan was close), but have been replaced. The SEC just has a lot more substance with the ability to step up.

I never thought I'd say it, but adding A&M and Missouri have been enhancing. Almost every other "expansion" into other conferences has actually hurt the conference strength. Colorado and Utah haven't made the Pac 12 better. Maryland and Rutgers don't make the B1G better. Syracuse and Pittsburgh haven't made the ACC better. West Virginia and TCU haven't made the Big XII better.

All good points but I would argue that as it stands today, the top tier of SEC teams would more often than not dominate the top tier of B1G teams week in and week out.

Hell, the bottom tier of SEC teams would also dominate the bottom tier of B1G teams.

I never thought I'd feel bad about Michigan's decline but I miss the days that the Ohio State - Michigan game actually MEANT something on the national stage.

No matter how you slice it, only delusional B1G fans think these two conferences are on par with each other. Guys like sleeper actually fantasize that the B1G is still better. lol

Azubuike24;1654703 wrote:Bottom line, the middle/bottom of the B1G sucks. Those are the majority of teams with the bad losses, and are the majority who have continually lost to non-BCS and MAC schools over the last decade.

Quite simply, if Michigan and Nebraska would pull their weight as "premier" programs, we wouldn't be having this discussion. From where they WERE 10-15 years ago, it's hard to argue that Ohio State, Wisconsin and Michigan State haven't lived up to or exceeding their expectations.

The ONLY difference in the SEC and B1G? Tennessee has faded, South Carolina has stepped up. Florida has faded, Texas A&M has stepped up. Tennessee and Florida were both top 5 programs 15 years ago, as was Nebraska (and Michigan was close), but have been replaced. The SEC just has a lot more substance with the ability to step up.

I never thought I'd say it, but adding A&M and Missouri have been enhancing. Almost every other "expansion" into other conferences has actually hurt the conference strength. Colorado and Utah haven't made the Pac 12 better. Maryland and Rutgers don't make the B1G better. Syracuse and Pittsburgh haven't made the ACC better. West Virginia and TCU haven't made the Big XII better.

I would argue that as it stands today, the top tier of SEC teams would more often than not dominate the top tier of B1G teams week in and week out. Hell, the bottom tier of SEC teams would dominate the bottom tier of B1G teams. Vanderbilt would kill Purdue for example.

I never thought I'd feel bad about Michigan's decline but I miss the days that the Ohio State - Michigan game actually MEANT something on the national stage.

No matter how you slice it, only delusional B1G fans think these two conferences are on par with each other. Guys like sleeper actually fantasize that the B1G is still better. lol

I'm impressed with the Sooners and their coach Bob Stoops who OSU should have pursued instead of Urbie. I've firmly grabbed a seat on the Oklahoma bandwagon and will be riding it into the Championship game against whichever SEC team survives. FL St may go down this week and OR will stumble somewhere.

Tiernan;1654782 wrote:I'm impressed with the Sooners and their coach Bob Stoops who OSU should have pursued instead of Urbie. I've firmly grabbed a seat on the Oklahoma bandwagon and will be riding it into the Championship game against whichever SEC team survives. FL St may go down this week and OR will stumble somewhere.

You're impressed with Bob Stoops? I thought you hated anything that came out of NE Ohio...

sherm03;1654815 wrote:You're impressed with Bob Stoops? I thought you hated anything that came out of NE Ohio...

You just made his drunk head explode.

ernest_t_bass;1654817 wrote:You just made his drunk head explode.

If you mean this literally...then you're welcome, everyone on OC.

sherm03;1654815 wrote:You're impressed with Bob Stoops? I thought you hated anything that came out of NE Ohio...

lol, reps

Jameis has been suspended for he first half of the Clemson game b

wildcats20;1654857 wrote:Jameis has been suspended for he first half of the Clemson game b

LOL. First half? Only in the ACC. (b/c in the SEC it'd be the first series)

There hasn't been a least impressive team this year than Vanderbilt.

I would make fun of the first half suspension but it is far stiffer than the one play suspension given to several Florida players earlier.

superman;1654915 wrote:I would make fun of the first half suspension but it is far stiffer than the one play suspension given to several Florida players earlier.

Or the "uh, we'll put it up for a team vote" style of LSU from recently.

wildcats20;1654857 wrote:Jameis has been suspended for he first half of the Clemson game b

He must have said something to some girls who were wearing yoga pants...

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11542412/florida-state-seminoles-qb-jameis-winston-suspended-first-half-game-clemson-tigers-shouting-obscene-phrase-public

This is for you sleeper... SEC! SEC! SEC!

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Azubuike24;1654869 wrote:There hasn't been a least impressive team this year than Vanderbilt.

In the SEC anyway.

Iliketurtles;1654988 wrote:He must have said something to some girls who were wearing yoga pants...

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11542412/florida-state-seminoles-qb-jameis-winston-suspended-first-half-game-clemson-tigers-shouting-obscene-phrase-public

Lol.

Not sure if it's in that article or not, but he got up on a table and yelled "fuck her right in the *****".

wildcats20;1655050 wrote:Lol.

Not sure if it's in that article or not, but he got up on a table and yelled "fuck her right in the *****".

Stupid? Yes. Hardly merits a suspension.

wildcats20;1655050 wrote:Lol.

Not sure if it's in that article or not, but he got up on a table and yelled "fuck her right in the *****".

Lol it wasn't. I was wondering what was said.... if that's all he did then LOL at a suspension. But he has to be smarter than that to know he can't really say something most other college kids can.