Archive Game of Thrones - Season 4 (TV Show Discussion Only)

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gut

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Apr 16, 2014 5:41pm

TedSheckler;1605909 wrote: Also, last season Melisandre used him because he is in Roberts bloodline.

Forgot about that. I guess his relatively brief appearance in the tv shows to this point makes sense for that purpose.

But WHY was it such a big deal to Ned Stark to find him then? (without spoilers if you can, please). The tv show, at least, hinted Robert's bastards were somehow a threat to Joffrery, which is why Ned wanted to find Gendry and why Joffrey had all the bastards killed.

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bigorangebuck22

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Apr 17, 2014 7:16am

gut;1605911 wrote:Forgot about that. I guess his relatively brief appearance in the tv shows to this point makes sense for that purpose.

But WHY was it such a big deal to Ned Stark to find him then? (without spoilers if you can, please). The tv show, at least, hinted Robert's bastards were somehow a threat to Joffrery, which is why Ned wanted to find Gendry and why Joffrey had all the bastards killed.

It's what Jon Aaryn was investigating when he died/ was murdered. If Ned can find Robert's bastards the thought was it might lead him to the killer.

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gut

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Apr 17, 2014 7:38am

bigorangebuck22;1606047 wrote:It's what Jon Aaryn was investigating when he died/ was murdered. If Ned can find Robert's bastards the thought was it might lead him to the killer.

Thanks for the insight. I don't think I'm an ignorant viewer, but that angle was completely lost on me.

Heretic

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Apr 17, 2014 10:16am

bigorangebuck22;1606047 wrote:It's what Jon Aaryn was investigating when he died/ was murdered. If Ned can find Robert's bastards the thought was it might lead him to the killer.

And on top of it, if it could have been proven that Cersei/Jaime were the parents of all Robert's kids, it would utterly discredit the Lannisters and, of course, any right to the throne Joff/Tommen have.

Ned himself didn't care about any of that political stuff. He just had an inflexible code of honor and a friend of his died attempting to find the truth, and so he felt it was his duty to take up the mantle, though.

Rotinaj

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Apr 21, 2014 9:05am

The next episode better be bad ass. A lot of good info but was pretty boring overall.

Laley23

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Apr 21, 2014 9:06am

Knife to the horses eye was awesome.

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Manhattan Buckeye

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Apr 21, 2014 9:20am

Rotinaj;1607375 wrote:The next episode better be bad ass. A lot of good info but was pretty boring overall.

Apparently the Jaime scene hasn't gone over well with many people. Will watch it in a few hours. Don't expect it to be as great as last week's, but what would?

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MontyBrunswick

Apr 21, 2014 12:14pm

Rotinaj;1607375 wrote:The next episode better be bad ass.

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SportsAndLady

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Apr 21, 2014 12:18pm

Rotinaj;1607375 wrote:The next episode better be bad ass. A lot of good info but was pretty boring overall.

Are you one of those people that needs to see a crazy battle scene or someone of extreme importance to die in order to like the show?

I thought last nights episode was pretty good, but I don't really need to see a huge battle to think that, so.

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Manhattan Buckeye

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Apr 21, 2014 5:24pm

The episode was pretty ok, not the greatest but not nearly as bad as what I read. The Jaime thing was not nearly as bad as what was reported, a lot of set-up but that was far from the worst episode of the series.

Rotinaj

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Apr 21, 2014 9:16pm

SportsAndLady;1607499 wrote:Are you one of those people that needs to see a crazy battle scene or someone of extreme importance to die in order to like the show?

I thought last nights episode was pretty good, but I don't really need to see a huge battle to think that, so.

When there are only 10 episodes a year yes id like to see a little action in every ep. I didn't say it was awful, just a little boring compared to what I'm used to.

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Manhattan Buckeye

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Apr 22, 2014 3:56am

Wow, some people are really overthinking the Jaime/Cersei scene:

https://tv.yahoo.com/news/game-thrones-breaker-chains-episode-181600643.html

Note, they are incestuous, and don't have normal sex. And slight book spoiler (not really), when Bran sees them he notes that she keeps saying "no" but acts as if she doesn't mean it. D&D could have toned it down a bit, but that wasn't nearly as bad as the imdb.com boards are screaming about.

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Zoltan

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Apr 22, 2014 2:22pm

I was thinking about why they even bothered to show the Jaime/Cersei scene in the first place? It makes me think she will become pregnant again and won't have a husband to hide it this time. Just a guess, because otherwise it seems pointless.

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Manhattan Buckeye

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Apr 22, 2014 2:38pm

Zoltan;1607968 wrote:I was thinking about why they even bothered to show the Jaime/Cersei scene in the first place? It makes me think she will become pregnant again and won't have a husband to hide it this time. Just a guess, because otherwise it seems pointless.

I think it is just to show how nutty Cersei has become, although her actions at the wedding last week indicated that. Also, that Jaime still has some attraction to her. It was an odd scene, but nowhere as terrible as some critics have made it to be.

Automatik

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Apr 22, 2014 2:39pm

I took it as Jamie was sick of her "hateful" attitude and hasn't gotten any trim in long time.

Laley23

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Apr 22, 2014 2:57pm

Automatik;1607974 wrote:I took it as Jamie was sick of her "hateful" attitude and hasn't gotten any trim in long time.

Jaime showing her who is about to run the ship when their next son is king. Cersei aint in charge anymore lol

Raw Dawgin' it

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Apr 22, 2014 4:08pm

Anyone else bored with this season? Seems painfully slow.

SportsAndLady

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Apr 22, 2014 4:09pm

Raw Dawgin' it;1608015 wrote:Anyone else bored with this season? Seems painfully slow.

Uh, no.

Raw Dawgin' it

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Apr 22, 2014 4:11pm

SportsAndLady;1608016 wrote:Uh, no.

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Automatik

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Apr 22, 2014 4:12pm

I fucking love it.

Laley23

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Apr 22, 2014 4:13pm

Not at all. We have had 3 episodes and 1 of them included a third of the most shocking scenes (Ned being beheaded, Red Wedding and Joffreys death)

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Manhattan Buckeye

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Apr 22, 2014 4:23pm

It's building up. The only storyline that I think is a bit lacking is Stannis - seems like D&D are putting in filler and not flowing with the end of last season. I prefer the new Daario (still a horrible character), and its a bit weird they aged Tommen by 7 years but I suppose they had to for child actor reasons.

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gut

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Apr 22, 2014 10:02pm

Manhattan Buckeye;1607794 wrote:Wow, some people are really overthinking the Jaime/Cersei scene:

Only thing I don't like about the show is when RR goes all perv. Some of it I do see as necessary to the plot/world he's created, but some of it seems a little creepily indulgent.

Raping his twin sister at the foot of their dead son's body...c'mon, dude, that's trying WAYYYY too hard for shock value.

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gut

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Apr 22, 2014 10:06pm

Automatik;1607974 wrote:I took it as Jamie was sick of her "hateful" attitude and hasn't gotten any trim in long time.

Well, since rape is supposedly about power...Jamie has been made to feel pretty much nothing but impotence since coming back short-handed.

And that was every bit as akward as you'd expect from a guy with one hand trying to hold her down while he drops his pants.

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gut

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Apr 22, 2014 10:09pm

I was SOOOOO disappointed when Sir Arrogant comes out to challenge Khaleesi's champion....I thought "ok, this will be good when he shits his armor when that big-ass dragon comes swooping in"