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Jan 11, 2014 4:21 PM
What about the dogs? Builders are notorious for financial problems.
Jan 11, 2014 11:21am
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Jan 11, 2014 4:33 PM
:( I know the feeling, and it's horrible. It doesn't matter how much money you have, or how great your insurance is. My family lost almost everything, including baby books, almost all of our pictures, and countless other keepsakes. It's a terrible thing to go through.
Jan 11, 2014 11:33am
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gut

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Jan 11, 2014 10:13 PM
Tiernan;1565829 wrote: Builders are notorious for financial problems.
My thoughts exactly....I just laughed when I saw that - if you're the insurance company you are digging into this pretty extensively.
Jan 11, 2014 5:13pm
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Jan 11, 2014 10:39 PM
Money doesn't matter when this happens.....it's unfathomable every time it happens. Losing everything is losing everything.

On the opposite side of the spectrum we had a family lose everything they had Thursday morning. Three kids in our school and Dad ( deaf) was asleep and awaken by the fire ambers hitting him. He barely got out and is in hospital.
Jan 11, 2014 5:39pm
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Jan 11, 2014 10:56 PM
That's different when people are in the house. Supposedly in this case nobody was home and the mom out of town which sounds pretty convenient to me. Ill bet al their family pics and documents were locked in a fire proof safe too.
Jan 11, 2014 5:56pm
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Jan 11, 2014 11:14 PM
I saw this on a State Farm commercial the other day. They'll be smiling and having fun in no time.
Jan 11, 2014 6:14pm
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Jan 11, 2014 11:20 PM
Tiernan;1565951 wrote:That's different when people are in the house. Supposedly in this case nobody was home and the mom out of town which sounds pretty convenient to me. Ill bet al their family pics and documents were locked in a fire proof safe too.
We might see this in the movies all the time, but not sure how realistic this scenario is. I would think, normally, it's the father acting alone (and wife might be completely unaware of the extent of financial trouble). He could make sure everyone was away, but I'd doubt the wife was in on it.

But it's really hard to get away with arson, I would think. Although a builder might know how to do it, but not necessarily. It would have to be an electrical fire that coincidentally shot the alarm system first. Or maybe rig a gas leak, but the only ignition source I could think of would be the pilot light on the furnace/water heater.
Jan 11, 2014 6:20pm
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Tiernan

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Jan 12, 2014 2:20 AM
WLW reporting Hamilton County Arson investigator on the scene all afternoon today. Nailed it.
Jan 11, 2014 9:20pm
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Jan 12, 2014 2:44 AM
Tiernan;1566061 wrote:WLW reporting Hamilton County Arson investigator on the scene all afternoon today. Nailed it.
Smh. Hate to break it to ya sunshine, but that's par for the course with most house fires that are a total loss.
Jan 11, 2014 9:44pm
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Jan 12, 2014 3:11 AM
GoChiefs;1566078 wrote:Smh. Hate to break it to ya sunshine, but that's par for the course with most house fires that are a total loss.
this^.

Tiernan forgot that investigators investigate.
Jan 11, 2014 10:11pm
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Tiernan

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Jan 12, 2014 5:22 AM
Where there is smoke there is fire...

nailed it.
Jan 12, 2014 12:22am
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Jan 12, 2014 7:58 AM
I heard reports it was a total loss because it did not have a sprinkler system, there wasn't enough water close by, and there was miscommunication between first responders and dispatchers
Jan 12, 2014 2:58am
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Jan 12, 2014 10:07 AM
sportchampps;1566158 wrote:...and there was miscommunication between first responders and dispatchers
Which is interesting. It could very well be a tragedy....or it could be insurance fraud. We'll see.
Jan 12, 2014 5:07am
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Jan 12, 2014 10:36 AM
gut;1566160 wrote:Which is interesting. It could very well be a tragedy....or it could be insurance fraud. We'll see.
Heard/read someplace first report was of an open field fire, so only one fire truck was sent. The mistake of being an open field in the first report was because the mansion is not visible from the road.
Jan 12, 2014 5:36am
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Jan 12, 2014 11:32 AM
said_aouita;1566161 wrote:Heard/read someplace first report was of an open field fire, so only one fire truck was sent. The mistake of being an open field in the first report was because the mansion is not visible from the road.
Yes, but, that sounds like a failed alarm system. And 1 truck is still massively sufficient for a structure like this - think about a high-rise taking up a few city blocks.

It's very suspicious. And it may be a fluke tragedy...but it will be very closely investigated.
Jan 12, 2014 6:32am
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Jan 12, 2014 11:45 AM
If the owner of this house is the builder, I would assume - particularly in THIS house - he used the latest & greatest fire-retardant materials in the construction.

When you look at the picture this is a COMPLETE loss.

Just doesn't add up.

If I'm wrong I'm wrong but this one smells pretty fishy.
Jan 12, 2014 6:45am
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Jan 12, 2014 11:53 AM
believer;1566165 wrote:If the owner of this house is the builder, I would assume - particularly in THIS house - he used the latest & greatest fire-retardant materials in the construction.

When you look at the picture this is a COMPLETE loss.

Just doesn't add up.

If I'm wrong I'm wrong but this one smells pretty fishy.

I don't know about that either. Construction of homes nowadays is not what it used to be. Just because it looks great on the outside with it's fake rock walls (obviously the stones were cosmetic only) all it was is a 2x4 framed big house.

Very well possible it's a huge insurance fraud case.

It is interesting how many certified electricians have electrical fires....
Jan 12, 2014 6:53am
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Jan 12, 2014 12:28 PM
believer;1566165 wrote:If the owner of this house is the builder, I would assume - particularly in THIS house - he used the latest & greatest fire-retardant materials in the construction.
I wouldn't put it past a builder to cut corners in his own house...
Jan 12, 2014 7:28am
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Jan 12, 2014 2:34 PM
gut;1566164 wrote:Yes, but, that sounds like a failed alarm system. And 1 truck is still massively sufficient for a structure like this - think about a high-rise taking up a few city blocks.

It's very suspicious. And it may be a fluke tragedy...but it will be very closely investigated
There were four different fire departments (countless trucks) on the scene when our house burned down. I'm not a fire truck expert, but I don't think one would cut it for a house that size.
Jan 12, 2014 9:34am
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Jan 12, 2014 2:54 PM
A nearby witness heard 4 loud explosions prior to the fire. Very well could have been the incendiary devices going off to ignite the fire. They are closing in on this guy.
Jan 12, 2014 9:54am
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Jan 12, 2014 4:22 PM
Fab4Runner;1566178 wrote:There were four different fire departments (countless trucks) on the scene when our house burned down. I'm not a fire truck expert, but I don't think one would cut it for a house that size.
Lol'd.

If you're not a fire truck expert, then not sure why you're in here.
Jan 12, 2014 11:22am
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Jan 12, 2014 10:19 PM
Tiernan;1566153 wrote:Where there is smoke there is fire...

nailed it.
Nothing has been confirmed, so you haven't nailed anything..moron.
Jan 12, 2014 5:19pm
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Tiernan

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Jan 12, 2014 10:25 PM
Been nailing your mom all afternoon.
Jan 12, 2014 5:25pm
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Jan 12, 2014 11:25 PM
Tiernan;1565829 wrote:What about the dogs? Builders are notorious for financial problems.
Everyone was out of the house. But not the dogs. I doubt they are going to purposely blow up their own house, with their family pets still inside.
Jan 12, 2014 6:25pm
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Tiernan

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Jan 13, 2014 3:09 AM
Kid said on FB the dogs were safe, so were they really in the house to begin with? Doubt it.
Jan 12, 2014 10:09pm