Discover Orange Bowl: (12) Clemson def. (7) Ohio State, 40-35

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Jan 5, 2014 5:11am
This darn Canadian is the reason Ohio State lost:
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Jan 5, 2014 6:03am
Mulva;1562641 wrote:He finished 9th in Heisman voting, and was considered one of the favorites heading into the season. Which he will be again. He's nowhere near that good of a player. He could make a Carlos Hyde jump next season, but for now? Come on.

He's a good player. He just isn't the stud a lot of fans/media try to make him out as. T Smith and Pryor were both far better QBs, in my opinion. But the schedule is weak enough again next year that the only real challenge should be @ MSU. Win that one, and they'll be playoff bound. No reason to wish Braxton to leave to throw a freshman in there when the situation is what it is.
don't hear anyone calling Boyd overrated, and he was supposed to be a guy who would be at the top of the heisman too.
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Jan 5, 2014 7:49am
Mulva;1562641 wrote:He finished 9th in Heisman voting, and was considered one of the favorites heading into the season. Which he will be again. He's nowhere near that good of a player. He could make a Carlos Hyde jump next season, but for now? Come on.

He's a good player. He just isn't the stud a lot of fans/media try to make him out as. T Smith and Pryor were both far better QBs, in my opinion. But the schedule is weak enough again next year that the only real challenge should be @ MSU. Win that one, and they'll be playoff bound. No reason to wish Braxton to leave to throw a freshman in there when the situation is what it is.

This just took any chance of anyone taking you seriously and threw it out the window.
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Jan 5, 2014 8:54am
Mulva;1562641 wrote:He finished 9th in Heisman voting, and was considered one of the favorites heading into the season. Which he will be again. He's nowhere near that good of a player. He could make a Carlos Hyde jump next season, but for now? Come on.

He's a good player. He just isn't the stud a lot of fans/media try to make him out as. T Smith and Pryor were both far better QBs, in my opinion. But the schedule is weak enough again next year that the only real challenge should be @ MSU. Win that one, and they'll be playoff bound. No reason to wish Braxton to leave to throw a freshman in there when the situation is what it is.
I'd take Miller over Pryor any day of the week.
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Jan 5, 2014 10:02am
Miller's a very good BCS-level college QB, but I'd agree he's not Heisman worthy. And I have my doubts he'll be able to handle the NFL.
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Jan 5, 2014 11:35am
WebFire;1562694 wrote:I'd take Miller over Pryor any day of the week.
This
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vball10set
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Jan 5, 2014 11:55am
Pretty much sums up my feelings.

http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2014/01/31877/five-things-clemson-ohio-state-football#more
SILVER BLANKSTalk of how to fix the defense – or more importantly if fixing it requires the dismissal of any staff – has become increasingly contentious the last few weeks.
I’m content to trust how Meyer decides to handle things but that doesn’t mean those clamoring for a staff shakeup are whiny over reactors, as labeled by many, when you examine the product.
Has Ohio State had some injuries on that side of the ball this year? Absolutely. Have they also underperformed at a historically awful level? Yes.
Last night might have been rock bottom as for the first time in school history, Ohio State lost when scoring 35+ points, falling to 279-1-1 as Clemson became the sixth opponent to put at least 30 points up against the Silver Bullets.
Over the last four games, in which OSU went 2-2, the defense gave up 1,918 total yards, 28.5 points per game, let a historically bad Michigan offense put up 41 points and finished 10th in probably the worst power conference in Pass Defense (283.5) and 6th in Total Defense (393.6). Statistically, even Minnesota had a better defense in conference play this year.
[h=4] Against Clemson, the Bullets allowed the Tigers to set numerous Orange Bowl records including the most receiving yards by a player as Sammy Watkins racked up 227 with what felt like 200 of that coming on the same exact play. Watkins is unquestionably a next-level player but to allow the same play to shred your defense over and over and over again was tough on the eyes.[/h]
The worst moment, however, might have been when Clemson recorded the game-winning score via a version of throwback pass that has made the defense look incompetent in so many crucial situations this season.
Whether Fickell and others stay or go, what bothers me the most is what appears to be a lack of in-game adjustments combined with a potential misdiagnosis of personnel.
Am I really to believe that Vonn Bell improved so much during bowl prep that he became a better option than Pitt Brown? Bell made some mistakes but he also made some plays and that’s 50% more than what Brown was allowed to do for 12 games as Bell watched from the sideline. That troubles me.
Am I really to believe that Ohio State had no other option but to defend the Watkins screen the same way 10+ straight times? Am I really to believe that calling a corner blitz repeatedly only to get scorched was all based on OSU’s schematic advantage and they just got unlucky?
Sometimes you have to make change for the sake of change. Guys with much more impressive resumes than Luke Fickell have found themselves forced to leave an employer after many years of service because things aren’t working out.
Again, I’m for whatever Meyer thinks is the best course of action because I know he wants to win even more than any fan or blogger or writer or whomever, I just hope either way, I can quit reading comments/articles/tweets from people who treat Fickell like he’s a deity for reasons I simply can’t comprehend.
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Jan 5, 2014 11:55am
He's the best we got right now and runs up the stats against really poor competition. I'm hoping The Greatest College Football Ciach in History can recruit somebody that actually wins big games and makes big time plays in critical situations at some point.
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Jan 5, 2014 12:06pm
Interesting article, but Bell didn't replace Brown, Powell did. Bell played the Star and I would say he played it the best that we have seen since Moeller's first year at the position before he was hurt. Powell was literally only 15 bowl practices better than Brown IMO.
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Jan 5, 2014 2:02pm
LJ;1562746 wrote:Interesting article, but Bell didn't replace Brown, Powell did. Bell played the Star and I would say he played it the best that we have seen since Moeller's first year at the position before he was hurt. Powell was literally only 15 bowl practices better than Brown IMO.
Agree, and it still puzzles me why he wasn't playing there before the bowl game. Was it a 'loyalty to the upperclassman' thing? I know Meyer says he doesn't play that game, but I think we all agree that what we saw Friday with Bell back there was an improvement (albeit a small one) over what we saw during the season. Maybe he just wasn't ready, but I think he is now!
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Jan 5, 2014 2:04pm
Midstate01;1562682 wrote:don't hear anyone calling Boyd overrated, and he was supposed to be a guy who would be at the top of the heisman too.
This isn't South Carolina chatter. Who gives a fuck about Boyd on here?
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Jan 5, 2014 2:12pm
Mulva;1562806 wrote:This isn't South Carolina chatter. Who gives a fuck about Boyd on here?
lol : thumbup:
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Jan 5, 2014 2:30pm
We gave up 40 points to Clemson. Why are we blaming Miller? Never at Ohio State have I ever seen such a shitty defense.

Anyways, still love my Buckeyes and I'll miss Carlos.
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Jan 5, 2014 3:58pm
sleeper;156282 wrote:Anyways, still love my Buckeyes and I'll miss Carlos.
Amen
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Tiernan
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Jan 5, 2014 6:13pm
Carlos Hyde was a much under used asset and I hope the best for him at the next level. Shazier is making a mistake and I hope Roby develops cancer in his alleged "bone bruise" diagnosed by Dr. LJ.
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Jan 5, 2014 6:24pm
Tiernan;1563021 wrote:Carlos Hyde was a much under used asset and I hope the best for him at the next level. Shazier is making a mistake and I hope Roby develops cancer in his alleged "bone bruise" diagnosed by Dr. LJ.
Who diagnosed it you fuck?

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/02/bradley-roby-likely-a-no-go-for-buckeyes-in-orange-bowl/

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/ohio-state-quarterback-likely-without-cornerback-bradley-roby-191236748--ncaaf.html

All list a bone bruise in his knee. Are you that fucking stupid?
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Tiernan
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Jan 5, 2014 6:26pm
...and the bobber goes all the way under!
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Jan 5, 2014 6:31pm
Tiernan;1563031 wrote:...and the bobber goes all the way under!
What are you, NCF's other brother?
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Jan 5, 2014 7:43pm
LJ;1563032 wrote:What are you, NCF's other brother?
This big fish is still takin line...
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Jan 5, 2014 8:25pm
sleeper;1562826 wrote:Never at Ohio State have I ever seen such a shitty defense.
How so? Everything THE Ohio State University puts on the football field is far superior than anything the SEC can produce.
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Jan 5, 2014 8:26pm
LJ;1563030 wrote:...you fuck?...... Are you that fucking stupid?
Getting kinda personal eh?
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Jan 5, 2014 10:31pm
believer;1563142 wrote:How so? Everything THE Ohio State University puts on the football field is far superior than anything the SEC can produce.
:rolleyes:
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Jan 5, 2014 11:24pm
#1DBag;1562679 wrote:This darn Canadian is the reason Ohio State lost:

Naw it was good he was there. The whole stands went wild when they showed him and he put up a block O, can't hurt with recruiting!
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Jan 6, 2014 12:39am
It's also her fault:
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Jan 6, 2014 12:41am
Philly wide open, a little touch and it's a big play.