Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Dec 8, 2013 7:05pm
Because somebody has to be the scapegoat.se-alum;1550587 wrote:Obviously the defense sucks, but can someone explain to me why you only want one of the CO-defensive coordinators fired?
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Dec 8, 2013 7:07pm
Withers coaches the worst unit on the field and calls the coverages for the defense. He is the one in the press box calling down plays. He is the very first that needs to go.se-alum;1550587 wrote:Obviously the defense sucks, but can someone explain to me why you only want one of the CO-defensive coordinators fired?
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Dec 8, 2013 7:09pm
May as well just draw a defensive coaches name out of a hat then.Pick6;1550593 wrote:Because somebody has to be the scapegoat.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Dec 8, 2013 7:21pm
Fire your mom.SportsAndLady;1550592 wrote:I want anyone who sucks, to be fired.
Boom
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Dec 8, 2013 8:32pm
Jesus that was too easy...are you two a comedy team?
dwccrew
Posts: 7,817
Dec 9, 2013 12:20am
Was at the game and couldn't believe how little the team seemed to have worked on from the Michigan game. All an offense needs to do is throw to the corners on an out route and you burn this secondary. It was quite pathetic. I, with novice football knowledge, could tell what plays MSU was going to run and OSU still couldn't stop them.
I wanted to believe that the Michigan game was an anomaly, that ESPN and all the haters and sports "journalists" were wrong. Sadly, I can't do that. Not to take anything away from MSU. They were clearly the better team last night. Ohio State better get it together or Clemson is going to rock them in the Orange Bowl.
I wanted to believe that the Michigan game was an anomaly, that ESPN and all the haters and sports "journalists" were wrong. Sadly, I can't do that. Not to take anything away from MSU. They were clearly the better team last night. Ohio State better get it together or Clemson is going to rock them in the Orange Bowl.
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Dec 9, 2013 8:39am
Did Fickell just all of a sudden become a bad defensive coordinator? What about all the time he was with Tress/Heacock as the co-def. coordinator when our defense was just flat solid?SportsAndLady;1550592 wrote:I want anyone who sucks, to be fired.
Withers is the other Def. Coordinator that no one mentions. Why? No one knows of him and everyone thinks Meyer walks on water, and he brought in Withers. From what I know, and heard...Fickell runs the defensive line and LB. Withers is in charge of the DB's and pass defense. Who calls the defense on game day is beyond me.
Bottom line is that everyone on the defensive side of the football needs to be held accountable. We'll see how things shake out. All I know is this defense did not improve. I expected some bumps early as they are/were pretty young up front. But also expected them to show improvement. Injuries did in fact hurt this team as wel. LB's and DB's often injured.
rrfan
Posts: 1,922
Dec 9, 2013 9:03am
I would love to see Heacock back!centralbucksfan;1550789 wrote:Did Fickell just all of a sudden become a bad defensive coordinator? What about all the time he was with Tress/Heacock as the co-def. coordinator when our defense was just flat solid?
Withers is the other Def. Coordinator that no one mentions. Why? No one knows of him and everyone thinks Meyer walks on water, and he brought in Withers. From what I know, and heard...Fickell runs the defensive line and LB. Withers is in charge of the DB's and pass defense. Who calls the defense on game day is beyond me.
Bottom line is that everyone on the defensive side of the football needs to be held accountable. We'll see how things shake out. All I know is this defense did not improve. I expected some bumps early as they are/were pretty young up front. But also expected them to show improvement. Injuries did in fact hurt this team as wel. LB's and DB's often injured.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Dec 9, 2013 9:03am
CB...we did see (or thought we did) some improvement midway thru the season but I think now those teams at midpoint were just god awful. Solid D- grade on the season Meyer & co. and it's time to clean house.
rrfan
Posts: 1,922
Dec 9, 2013 9:27am
I like the rushing yards on offense, but we do need to work on this thing called "the forward pass"!
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 9, 2013 9:40am
I don't know if its the play calling or the tackling but the defense is awful. We definitely need a new defensive coordinator.
Also, incredible how a 12-1 season is considered a failure for Ohio State. This is why we are the best; Michigan looks forward to their Outhouse Bowl game while Ohio State is crying about a BCS bowl.
Also, incredible how a 12-1 season is considered a failure for Ohio State. This is why we are the best; Michigan looks forward to their Outhouse Bowl game while Ohio State is crying about a BCS bowl.
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MontyBrunswick
Dec 9, 2013 9:42am
It seems to me that the DB's give up on receivers and assume run if the play takes longer than 4-5 seconds. This leads to WIDE OPEN receivers.sleeper;1550820 wrote:I don't know if its the play calling or the tackling but the defense is awful. We definitely need a new defensive coordinator..
I think it's both coaching and poor players.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Dec 9, 2013 9:59am
It's both, but without the latter, schemes are relatively unimportant.sleeper;1550820 wrote:I don't know if its the play calling or the tackling but the defense is awful.
BigAppleBuckeye
Posts: 2,935
Dec 9, 2013 10:15am
I think it's safe to say: Fick is a great Buckeye, but a putrid coach. Now ... rather than harp on this, who would be a prime candidate to be OSU's 2014 defensive coordinator?
* Pat Narduzzi (DC, MSU) ... no way he leaves for anything other than a head coach spot, but worth mentioning.
* Justin Wilcox (DC, Washington) ... any chance to steal him? Probably not now that Peterson is heading there as head coach.
* Mike Elko (DC, Bowling Green) ... a local option, while I never watched a BG game this year I hear their D was quite physical and attacking.
* Jim Heacock ... come back???
Thoughts?
* Pat Narduzzi (DC, MSU) ... no way he leaves for anything other than a head coach spot, but worth mentioning.
* Justin Wilcox (DC, Washington) ... any chance to steal him? Probably not now that Peterson is heading there as head coach.
* Mike Elko (DC, Bowling Green) ... a local option, while I never watched a BG game this year I hear their D was quite physical and attacking.
* Jim Heacock ... come back???
Thoughts?
rrfan
Posts: 1,922
Dec 9, 2013 10:40am
My vote is Heacock comeback...
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Dec 9, 2013 10:51am
Don't be surprised to see Withers retained and Fickell gone. And as many on here have already noted, that may or may not be the right answer or a fair assessment of the problem. But I doubt Meyer ever really wanted Luke anyway, thus the "co-coordinator" titles.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Dec 9, 2013 11:16am
I kinda see it this way too.Tiernan;1550859 wrote:Don't be surprised to see Withers retained and Fickell gone. And as many on here have already noted, that may or may not be the right answer or a fair assessment of the problem. But I doubt Meyer ever really wanted Luke anyway, thus the "co-coordinator" titles.
Withers is an Urban guy, Fick is not(no matter how much Urban tries to hide it).
Also, throw me into te group that would take Heacock back.
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Dec 9, 2013 11:20am
He could be gone by his own choice. From what I know, he did in fact interview for the Florida Atlantic job.Tiernan;1550859 wrote:Don't be surprised to see Withers retained and Fickell gone. And as many on here have already noted, that may or may not be the right answer or a fair assessment of the problem. But I doubt Meyer ever really wanted Luke anyway, thus the "co-coordinator" titles.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Dec 9, 2013 11:25am
Fickell should just do himself as favor and leave on his own.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Dec 9, 2013 11:45am
I think Meyer made a huge mistake by not keeping Taver Johnson and attempting to keep Haynes as the Co-DC and safeties coach.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Dec 9, 2013 11:51am
They may be somewhat better with different coaches, but the bottom line is that the talent is meedy oaker for a program of this level at a number of positions.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Dec 9, 2013 11:54am
queencitybuckeye;1550888 wrote:They may be somewhat better with different coaches, but the bottom line is that the talent is meedy oaker for a program of this level at a number of positions.
I do agree that is the bigger issue. I posted the attrition list earlier. So many transfers and injuries just decimated any depth that OSU would have had.
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Dec 9, 2013 12:12pm
Really? Most of the Dline are all blue chip recruits. LB...Shazier an All American. Grant was rated as the #1 LB in country coming out of HS. DB's...Roby an All American, Barnett a semi finalist for Thorpe award.queencitybuckeye;1550888 wrote:They may be somewhat better with different coaches, but the bottom line is that the talent is meedy oaker for a program of this level at a number of positions.
Thats enough to field a pretty decent defense. Byant loss was huge. But come on. Its not a lack of talent. Most of the big plays OSU gave up, guys were just flat lost out on the field. WR running wide open. So I don't buy the lack of talent at all. Yes, a lack of depth in certain area's. No question. But still no excuse to give up what this defense gave up these past two games.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 9, 2013 12:14pm
?queencitybuckeye;1550888 wrote:They may be somewhat better with different coaches, but the bottom line is that the talent is meedy oaker for a program of this level at a number of positions.
Isn't our entire line like 5* recruits? Yeah the secondary has been bad but its not like they are a bunch of 3*s lol.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Dec 9, 2013 12:19pm
Meaningless. "Pitt" Brown was a 5*, and coaching isn't the reason he isn't playing like one. The whole 5* 4* stuff is a joke.sleeper;1550901 wrote:?
Isn't our entire line like 5* recruits? Yeah the secondary has been bad but its not like they are a bunch of 3*s lol.