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thavoice
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Sep 5, 2014 1:16pm
but it was the policy in place when he tested positive.Laley23;1650774 wrote:Sounds like the NFLPA will STRONGLY push for no suspension for Gordon if the deal is done before Sunday (when the 2014 season is officially started). Reason being he violated the policy that is not in place for the upcoming season. Once Sunday hits though, the old policy is essentially in stone for offseason violators...
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Sep 5, 2014 1:21pm
But, the policy was for this upcoming season. They will fight to have the outcome overturned because he failed a test for something that is not in place anynore for a season which hasn't started.thavoice;1650785 wrote:but it was the policy in place when he tested positive.
This is policy would replace the other one, and since he tested positive in the offseason, his results would be retested via this policy.
I mean, if we are honest, this is a longshot. But on the surface, they have an argument.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Sep 5, 2014 1:21pm
So, if you went to jail for smoking weed and two weeks later the country legalizes it, you think you should stay for your remainder of time in jail?thavoice;1650785 wrote:but it was the policy in place when he tested positive.
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thavoice
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Sep 5, 2014 1:47pm
Did Colorado let those who are in jail/prison out when they legalized it?like_that;1650789 wrote:So, if you went to jail for smoking weed and two weeks later the country legalizes it, you think you should stay for your remainder of time in jail?
Just as I think it would be shitty to now suspend Rice for more games now that the rule is changed I think it would be wrong to let those suspended for Marijuana to come back early.
Same with Welker. Word is ampthetmines are most likely going to be taken off the PED list and put into recreational drug category which would just put him in a program and not suspended (assuming he hasnt popped hot before)....and he should still be suspended because at the time he broke the rule...that was the punishment.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Sep 5, 2014 1:52pm
I don't know, but they definitely should if they haven't. The government is even less rational than the NFL though.thavoice;1650793 wrote:Did Colorado let those who are in jail/prison out when they legalized it?
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Sep 5, 2014 1:58pm
Your missing the point though. What they tested for was the policy FOR THIS UPCOMING SEASON. If that is reworked, the old one basically never existed.
It would be different if they were trying to change it going forward (ie startingn after the Super Bowl for 2015. But they are trying for this year). It all depends on how quickly the deal is done. If it's by Sunday, Gordon has a shot, if not, he is probably out since it won't circumvent the current policy and will just replace it in 2015.
It would be different if they were trying to change it going forward (ie startingn after the Super Bowl for 2015. But they are trying for this year). It all depends on how quickly the deal is done. If it's by Sunday, Gordon has a shot, if not, he is probably out since it won't circumvent the current policy and will just replace it in 2015.
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BR1986FB
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Sep 5, 2014 2:14pm
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The NFL and the NFL player's union are close to an agreement that would modify the sport’s drug policies and potentially could result in a reduced or overturned suspension for Gordon, the Washington Post reports. "If we get a deal done that covers players in this league year, I don't like that we punish players under a deal active in the old league year," NFL players union director DeMaurice Smith told 106.7 The Fan in Washington, DC, which was relayed by NFL.com's Albert Breer.
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thavoice
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Sep 5, 2014 2:17pm
Ill agree with you on that one.like_that;1650796 wrote:I don't know, but they definitely should if they haven't. The government is even less rational than the NFL though.
Guess we will see who suits up this weekend for the browns. If Gordon goes get to play then I see a Manzell to Gordon TD pass to win the game...
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Sep 5, 2014 2:24pm
Highly doubt Gordon plays week 1 regardless of reinstatement or not.thavoice;1650810 wrote:Ill agree with you on that one.
Guess we will see who suits up this weekend for the browns. If Gordon goes get to play then I see a Manzell to Gordon TD pass to win the game...
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Sep 5, 2014 2:27pm
Agreed. I doubt he plays. The key here is getting the deal done so he can play in week 2/3/4/whatever.like_that;1650814 wrote:Highly doubt Gordon plays week 1 regardless of reinstatement or not.
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BR1986FB
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Sep 5, 2014 2:47pm
Not a complete surprise but Manziel could be used in some packages on Sunday. Let the fapping by two particular posters begin....
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/9/5/6110803/johnny-manziel-browns-steelers
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/9/5/6110803/johnny-manziel-browns-steelers
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thavoice
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Sep 5, 2014 2:48pm
Tomlim talked about how they were preparing for him to play in saying that 'they didnt draft him in the first round to watch from the sideline'.BR1986FB;1650831 wrote:Not a complete surprise but Manziel could be used in some packages on Sunday. Let the fapping by two particular posters begin....
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/9/5/6110803/johnny-manziel-browns-steelers
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Sep 5, 2014 2:52pm
I think that Tomlin's a cheating asshole but came away impressed with how prepared he was during his press conference regarding the Browns. Knew every players name on defense and even threw out Kitchen's name.thavoice;1650832 wrote:Tomlim talked about how they were preparing for him to play in saying that 'they didnt draft him in the first round to watch from the sideline'.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Sep 5, 2014 2:55pm
Not surprising that he has that opinion. He has won a Super Bowl and clearly gets it. Mike Pettine on the other hand knows better, which is why Johnny will ride the pine all year because "it's Hoyer's team".thavoice;1650832 wrote:Tomlim talked about how they were preparing for him to play in saying that 'they didnt draft him in the first round to watch from the sideline'.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Sep 5, 2014 2:58pm
Jesus Christ you sound like a bitter bitch little kid that just had his favorite toy taken from him. (stomp my feet until I get my way!)IggyPride00;1650838 wrote:Not surprising that he has that opinion. He has won a Super Bowl and clearly gets it. Mike Pettine on the other hand knows better, which is why Johnny will ride the pine all year because "it's Hoyer's team".
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Sep 5, 2014 3:09pm
I'm not buying that. I don't expect to see Manziel in the game unless Hoyer gets injured or he's so bad he needs to be yanked.
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thavoice
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Sep 5, 2014 3:20pm
Well Mary Kay is reporting it so.................BR1986FB;1650831 wrote:Not a complete surprise but Manziel could be used in some packages on Sunday. Let the fapping by two particular posters begin....
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/9/5/6110803/johnny-manziel-browns-steelers
...expect manzell to be deactivated.
like_that
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Sep 5, 2014 5:27pm
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Footwedge
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Sep 6, 2014 8:56am
Johnny Football had a cool response to Merril Hoge's juvenile punk rant. Hey Merill. you didn't exactly dominate the NFL yourself. This is the same guy that says Jadaveon Clowney is an atrocious football player.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Sep 6, 2014 9:37am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/05/nflpa-rebuffed-hgh-offer-while-gordon-appeal-was-pending/
inb4 posters tell us how he should have never been in this situation to begin with.
inb4 posters tell us how he should have never been in this situation to begin with.
Rotinaj
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Sep 6, 2014 10:07am
I cant think of a worse NFL guy off the top of my head. Jaws is pretty awful too.Footwedge;1650998 wrote:Johnny Football had a cool response to Merril Hoge's juvenile punk rant. Hey Merill. you didn't exactly dominate the NFL yourself. This is the same guy that says Jadaveon Clowney is an atrocious football player.
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queencitybuckeye
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Sep 6, 2014 10:11am
So someone can only criticize players equal or worse than themselves? If you're not a hypocrite, that means you'll be leaving the site. Note: being a hypocrite is exactly the same as being a liar so you're covered.Footwedge;1650998 wrote:Hey Merill. you didn't exactly dominate the NFL yourself.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Sep 6, 2014 10:16am
I hate the notion that someone can't be a great evaluator or analyst or whatever because they personally sucked at what they are covering. It's an asinine concept.
That said, Hoge continues to be proven wrong and look like an idiot. Not always, but more than most of the national NFL guys.
The same reason I stick to MLB Network because they blow ESPNs Baseball Tonight out of the water is why I go with NFL Network or Golf Channel, or TNT for NBA, etc.
That said, Hoge continues to be proven wrong and look like an idiot. Not always, but more than most of the national NFL guys.
The same reason I stick to MLB Network because they blow ESPNs Baseball Tonight out of the water is why I go with NFL Network or Golf Channel, or TNT for NBA, etc.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Sep 6, 2014 10:42am
Here's my take on the news that Gordon will not sue for a temporary injunction despite him having a super legal team: they know that Gordon's suspension will be reduced in a timely enough manner, and I wouldn't doubt that belief stems from conversations between them and the NFL.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Sep 6, 2014 12:24pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/06/new-nfl-drug-testing-policy-could-come-at-any-time/lhslep134;1651016 wrote:Here's my take on the news that Gordon will not sue for a temporary injunction despite him having a super legal team: they know that Gordon's suspension will be reduced in a timely enough manner, and I wouldn't doubt that belief stems from conversations between them and the NFL.