Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Aug 28, 2014 8:29pm
Gilbert. Yikes. Backup corners looking terrible again.
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Tunechi
Posts: 6
Aug 28, 2014 8:30pm
Wow Gilbert looks bad. The 1st round isn't the place to strengthen your bench boys.
Santonio Holmes is someone we easily could have picked up!
Santonio Holmes is someone we easily could have picked up!
Benny The Jet
Posts: 2,987
Aug 28, 2014 8:30pm
And right on cue, Gilbert looks bad and whiffs on Holmes and they scoreLaley23;1648517 wrote:I havent been able to see any preseason action...is Gilbert going to start for this team?
I loved the pick, as I thought he was a stud, and going against the #2s was going to mean we had 2 shutdown CBs...but if he doesnt start, even if he proves to be integral part of the team, it seems like a bit of a waste when Browns needed so much WR/help elsewhere.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Aug 28, 2014 8:37pm
Manziel is so uncomfortable in the pocket, jittery feet.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Aug 28, 2014 8:45pm
lol wtf
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Aug 28, 2014 9:19pm
McFadden is brutal.
Even though it was against Chicago's 2's & 3's, it was nice to see Hoyer and the 1's put together a controlled, solid drive.
1st team defense giving up WAY too much against Chicago's #3 offense.
Manziel looks electric at times and clueless at others. Not comparing their overall skillsets but it sure as hell looks like JFF has "Brady Quinn/Charlie Frye/Colt McCoy Syndrome" when throwing the deep ball, inaccurate/underthrown/wounded ducks. Hopefully he grows out of this but I'm skeptical.
Even though it was against Chicago's 2's & 3's, it was nice to see Hoyer and the 1's put together a controlled, solid drive.
1st team defense giving up WAY too much against Chicago's #3 offense.
Manziel looks electric at times and clueless at others. Not comparing their overall skillsets but it sure as hell looks like JFF has "Brady Quinn/Charlie Frye/Colt McCoy Syndrome" when throwing the deep ball, inaccurate/underthrown/wounded ducks. Hopefully he grows out of this but I'm skeptical.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Aug 28, 2014 9:36pm
He hasn't played a real NFL game yet and has played with scrubs all preseason. The reaction to this guy when he makes a mistake is unbelievable. How do you expect him to be? Bortles isn't starting over Chad Henne. Bridgewater isn't starting over Cassel.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Aug 28, 2014 9:38pm
As I said before, I havent seen any preseason games of the Browns. But, the ducks have to be worrisome. Bad plays and bad throws not nearly as much as not being able to throw a spiral when going downfield.Pick6;1648548 wrote:He hasn't played a real NFL game yet and has played with scrubs all preseason. The reaction to this guy when he makes a mistake is unbelievable. How do you expect him to be? Bortles isn't starting over Chad Henne. Bridgewater isn't starting over Cassel.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Aug 28, 2014 9:40pm
He doesn't have a natural throwing motion to me, it's not fluent at all. He seems to just throw it as hard as he can and his accuracy suffers because of it.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Aug 28, 2014 9:46pm
I dont really get why JFF doesnt just play the rest of the game lol.
Pick6
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Aug 28, 2014 9:48pm
And as horrible as people make it out to be, his accuracy is still better than Hoyer's. Like I said, overly critical. Do you expect him to come in and be perfect, or ever be perfect? I don't. But damn, give him a chance to grow before we call him Brady fucking Quinn. He's already better than those bums ever were.robj55;1648550 wrote:He doesn't have a natural throwing motion to me, it's not fluent at all. He seems to just throw it as hard as he can and his accuracy suffers because of it.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Aug 28, 2014 9:50pm
He's better than them based on what? And I disagree about him being more accurate than Hoyer, definitely not.Pick6;1648552 wrote:And as horrible as people make it out to be, his accuracy is still better than Hoyer's. Like I said, overly critical. Do you expect him to come in and be perfect, or ever be perfect? I don't. But damn, give him a chance to grow before we call him Brady fucking Quinn. He's already better than those bums ever were.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Aug 28, 2014 9:51pm
I find it laughable scrubs like Weeden were given two seasons when Manziel is being written off before he has ever even played a real game. He hasn't looked horrible. He's looked a lot like a rookie to me with things to work on, but a lot of potential.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Aug 28, 2014 9:52pm
Stats don't lie. His completion % has been better all season. This is playing with guys who cant make an intermediate catch. Hoyer also hasn't played exclusively against 1s.robj55;1648553 wrote:He's better than them based on what? And I disagree about him being more accurate than Hoyer, definitely not.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Aug 28, 2014 9:53pm
Much more accurate than Hoyer. Dropped passes again skewed his numbers.robj55;1648553 wrote:He's better than them based on what? And I disagree about him being more accurate than Hoyer, definitely not.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Aug 28, 2014 9:54pm
Neither do eye balls, he has been all over the place missing throws, and he has happy feet in the pocket. Has a lot of work to do before he is a starting qb in this league, not saying he can't get there.Pick6;1648555 wrote:Stats don't lie.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Aug 28, 2014 9:55pm
6/17 against 3rd stringers, have you seen some of his throws? You gloss over everything he does poorly, Skip Bayless?Footwedge;1648556 wrote:Much more accurate than Hoyer. Dropped passes again skewed his numbers.
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Footwedge
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Aug 28, 2014 9:56pm
Manziel was very comfortable in the pocket tonight.robj55;1648525 wrote:Manziel is so uncomfortable in the pocket, jittery feet.
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KB0938
Posts: 900
Aug 28, 2014 9:56pm
The #1s arent exactly catching everything Hoyer throws either.Pick6;1648555 wrote:Stats don't lie. His completion % has been better all season. This is playing with guys who cant make an intermediate catch. Hoyer also hasn't played exclusively against 1s.
PFF had an article on Gilbert or maybe stats were posted on reddit. But Gilbert has been gettin toasted this pre season, hopefully its just him getting adjusted to the game speed. I liked that pick, he seemed like he was gonna be a stud
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Aug 28, 2014 9:56pm
lolFootwedge;1648560 wrote:Manziel was very comfortable in the pocket tonight.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Aug 28, 2014 9:57pm
I agree. But the fact remains that Hoyer has been throwing to better talent while being protected by a much better line. Gilbert does need to step his shit up as well.KB0938;1648561 wrote:The #1s arent exactly catching everything Hoyer throws either.
PFF had an article on Gilbert or maybe stats were posted on reddit. But Gilbert has been gettin toasted this pre season, hopefully its just him getting adjusted to the game speed. I liked that pick, he seemed like he was gonna be a stud
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Aug 28, 2014 10:02pm
He had some bad throws...yes. But for the season he's been a lot more accurate than Hoyer. Again, his first throw was dropped for a 45 yard gain and another was dropped for a 15 yard gain. That doesn't count???This so called competition is a joke. Manziel moved this team up and down the field all night in spite of the drops. This Hoyer experiment needs to end...real soon.Moreover, people forget that rookies grow. P Manning had 28 picks his first season. Aikman was worse. Manziel will be all pro sooner than later. The longer the coach waits in playing the best talent, the longer the franchise will suffer.robj55;1648559 wrote:6/17 against 3rd stringers, have you seen some of his throws? You gloss over everything he does poorly, Skip Bayless?
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Footwedge
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Aug 28, 2014 10:09pm
Weren't you the one that said Manziel wont be able to scramble/ run in this league? How'd he do tonight?robj55;1648562 wrote:lol
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Footwedge
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Aug 28, 2014 10:10pm
For those that somehow think Manziel is not as accurate as Hoyer... Manziel 69% completion rate in college...Hoyer 55%. There is simply no argument on that.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Aug 28, 2014 10:14pm
I agree with you....BUTFootwedge;1648568 wrote:For those that somehow think Manziel is not as accurate as Hoyer... Manziel 69% completion rate in college...Hoyer 55%. There is simply no argument on that.
College stats mean dick, in the NFL.
If they mattered Timmy Chang would be putting the finishing touches on his HOF Career, and Case Keenum, would be transforming the league.