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Sonofanump
Jun 18, 2014 12:44pm
So did I read this correctly that Bortles signed for $20m and JFF $8 each for four years.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 18, 2014 12:59pm
JFF $8 over 4 years, team option for a 5th year. Bortles, $20M over 4 years, team option for 5th year.Sonofanump;1627476 wrote:So did I read this correctly that Bortles signed for $20m and JFF $8 each for four years.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jun 18, 2014 1:00pm
Makes sense to me. Not much bickering can be done by these rookies with the new rookie wage scale. JFF was selected almost 20 picks after Bortles.Sonofanump;1627476 wrote:So did I read this correctly that Bortles signed for $20m and JFF $8 each for four years.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Jun 18, 2014 1:21pm
True.BR1986FB;1627484 wrote:Makes sense to me. Not much bickering can be done by these rookies with the new rookie wage scale. JFF was selected almost 20 picks after Bortles.
Loving this new CBA and i bet the franchises are as well!
Also..the team option for the 5th year as sleeper talked about is pretty much standard now for the rookie contracts.
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Jun 18, 2014 3:05pm
Yeah... 4 years for $8M is a steal for JFF lol, and I don't even like him.
Go4alOngbOmB
Posts: 673
Jun 19, 2014 2:35am
I completely agree with all of the responses to my post. We have a WAY more solid D and an O-Line to protect. But this is the NFL. Even though they are trying to wrap their players in "NERF", rookies will still take hits. I also agree with the decision making aspect of the argument. Johnny Football needs to lean the fundamentals of football before he ever see's a field. He threw a lot of passes in college up for grabs....and who do we have to go get them?
Overall, I don't see Manzeil as a bad draft choice. Especially where we got him....but he is a work in progress. He isn't an instant solution in my eyes. I'm not upset with the pick....I just hope that we use him the right way!
Overall, I don't see Manzeil as a bad draft choice. Especially where we got him....but he is a work in progress. He isn't an instant solution in my eyes. I'm not upset with the pick....I just hope that we use him the right way!
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jun 19, 2014 9:30am
Go4alOngbOmB;1627690 wrote:
Overall, I don't see Manzeil as a bad draft choice. Especially where we got him....but he is a work in progress. He isn't an instant solution in my eyes. I'm not upset with the pick....I just hope that we use him the right way!
Agreed. I'd love for him to watch film of Russell Wilson to take away how smart Russell is when it comes to running, scrambling around behind the LOS, and hit avoidance.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jun 19, 2014 11:54am
Excellent read on Mike Pettine.....
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/06/19/mike-pettine-cleveland-browns-coach/
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/06/19/mike-pettine-cleveland-browns-coach/
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jun 19, 2014 12:14pm
Read that in the morning. Definitely a great read. Of course I get an espn notification about how "tom Brady suggests the pats have copy of jets play book." That's what espn got out of that article lol. I wouldn't expect anything less from the tmz of sports.BR1986FB;1627825 wrote:Excellent read on Mike Pettine.....
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/06/19/mike-pettine-cleveland-browns-coach/
iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Jun 19, 2014 12:15pm
Pettine is a very refreshing change of pace from the morons we have had in here. I can't believe Romeo/ Shurmur were EVER head coaches.BR1986FB;1627825 wrote:Excellent read on Mike Pettine.....
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/06/19/mike-pettine-cleveland-browns-coach/
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Jun 19, 2014 12:34pm
I enjoyed that article. I really want this guy to succeed in Cleveland. Not just because I'm a Browns fan, but because he seems to embrace the toughness that I thought the Browns franchise has portrayed, regardless of the results we've had.BR1986FB;1627825 wrote:Excellent read on Mike Pettine.....
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/06/19/mike-pettine-cleveland-browns-coach/
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Jun 19, 2014 2:09pm
Who better to coach/teach Manziel on the importance of being smart/staying healthy than Kyle Shanahan who saw the best of times and the worst of times with RGIII?
Don't buy into Manziel sitting at all. Simply, he has a much better skillset wise than the undrafted quarterback from Mich. State. Growing pains? Yup. Russ Wilson didn't set the world on fire the first half of his rookie season. In year 2 their team pounded Peyton Manning and company in the Super Bowl.
Don't buy into Manziel sitting at all. Simply, he has a much better skillset wise than the undrafted quarterback from Mich. State. Growing pains? Yup. Russ Wilson didn't set the world on fire the first half of his rookie season. In year 2 their team pounded Peyton Manning and company in the Super Bowl.
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Jun 19, 2014 2:24pm
Johnny Manziel is NOT Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson probably spent a lot more time in his playbook and studying film than partying in Vegas and calling people on his money phone. Don't get me wrong, I want JFF to succeed because I'm a Browns fan, but he in no way, shape, or form is ready to lead a franchise, as proven by his repetitive antics.Footwedge;1627893 wrote:Who better to coach/teach Manziel on the importance of being smart/staying healthy than Kyle Shanahan who saw the best of times and the worst of times with RGIII?
Don't buy into Manziel sitting at all. Simply, he has a much better skillset wise than the undrafted quarterback from Mich. State. Growing pains? Yup. Russ Wilson didn't set the world on fire the first half of his rookie season. In year 2 their team pounded Peyton Manning and company in the Super Bowl.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Jun 19, 2014 2:41pm
LOL. Russell Wilson does not have anywhere near the natural talent that Manziel possesses. Erst the 3rd round draft status of Wilson. Drinking on the weekend does not offer any premonition of NFL failure. Don't buy into the media crap. Just embrace the reality that Cleveland finally has a stud under center. The sooner you and others understand this the quicker you be able to enjoy the ride.Dr. KnOiTaLL;1627900 wrote:Johnny Manziel is NOT Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson probably spent a lot more time in his playbook and studying film that partying in Vegas and calling people on his money phone. Don't get me wrong, I want him to succeed because I'm a Browns fan, but he in no way, shape, or form is ready to lead a franchise, as proven by his repetitive antics.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jun 19, 2014 2:59pm
Great. Now we get to see Manziel crash & burn.....
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Jun 19, 2014 3:23pm
Does Manziel have the edge in the talent department, yes. However, talent doesn't always equate to success in professional sports, and you obviously know that since you apparently know everything. Wilson still is quite talented, or he wouldn't be under center for the super bowl champs. However, at this point in his career, Wilson has a significant advantage in discipline, leadership, and decision-making skills. Plenty of talented athletes have had their careers derailed because they simply couldn't keep it together off of the field. THAT is what worries me about Manziel. I don't doubt his ability or potential, but much like Gordon, I doubt his off-the-field decision making. To this point, he has done nothing to change my suspicion in that area.Footwedge;1627914 wrote:LOL. Russell Wilson does not have anywhere near the natural talent that Manziel possesses. Erst the 3rd round draft status of Wilson. Drinking on the weekend does not offer any premonition of NFL failure. Don't buy into the media crap. Just embrace the reality that Cleveland finally has a stud under center. The sooner you and others understand this the quicker you be able to enjoy the ride.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jun 19, 2014 4:19pm
Why even bother waste your brain power?Dr. KnOiTaLL;1627934 wrote:Does Manziel have the edge in the talent department, yes. However, talent doesn't always equate to success in professional sports, and you obviously know that since you apparently know everything. Wilson still is quite talented, or he wouldn't be under center for the super bowl champs. However, at this point in his career, Wilson has a significant advantage in discipline, leadership, and decision-making skills. Plenty of talented athletes have had their careers derailed because they simply couldn't keep it together off of the field. THAT is what worries me about Manziel. I don't doubt his ability or potential, but much like Gordon, I doubt his off-the-field decision making. To this point, he has done nothing to change my suspicion in that area.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Jun 19, 2014 4:41pm
Mid-afternoon doldrums at work, where even throwing ideas at brick walls is more interesting than actual work?like_that;1627978 wrote:Why even bother waste your brain power?
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jun 19, 2014 4:45pm
That's fair.Heretic;1627989 wrote:Mid-afternoon doldrums at work, where even throwing ideas at brick walls is more interesting than actual work?
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Jun 19, 2014 5:15pm
This +1, straight bored out of my skull.Heretic;1627989 wrote:Mid-afternoon doldrums at work, where even throwing ideas at brick walls is more interesting than actual work?
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Jun 19, 2014 9:24pm
Hi guys, long time no talk. This off season needs to speed up!
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Jun 19, 2014 10:22pm
Browns family day to be held at Infocision stadium August 2nd.
http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/browns-to-hold-family-day-intrasquad-scrimmage-at-university-of-akron-this-summer-1.497401
http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/browns-to-hold-family-day-intrasquad-scrimmage-at-university-of-akron-this-summer-1.497401
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jun 20, 2014 10:13am
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jun 20, 2014 10:17am
BR1986FB;1628246 wrote:One man's opinion....
http://www.cbssports.com/general/writer/gregg-doyel/24592825/johnny-manziels-nfl-career-is-going-to-end-badly-if-he-keeps-this-up
I clicked on the link to the "money phone" video since I hadn't seen it yet, and part of the article was this quote from Pettine that I really thought was relevant:
"I think there's a lot of our guys when they leave here, that if they were followed around, you'd get some very similar pictures. I don't know about an inflatable swan, but I think you'd still get some pictures."
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Jun 20, 2014 12:07pm
I can't help but notice that footwedge hasn't responded to my post... Anyways, this type of behavior worries me. Not that a little partying is a problem here or there, but it's evident this kid has a problem with drinking. The article quote his father saying that he offered him a car AS A JUNIOR IN HIGH SCHOOL to stop drinking, and he still didn't stop. The only thing that I find comfort in is the fact that his contract is only $8M over 4 years.lhslep134;1628249 wrote:I clicked on the link to the "money phone" video since I hadn't seen it yet, and part of the article was this quote from Pettine that I really thought was relevant:
"I think there's a lot of our guys when they leave here, that if they were followed around, you'd get some very similar pictures. I don't know about an inflatable swan, but I think you'd still get some pictures."